A brief glimpse of God and Creation

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

But you will follow the word of a so called expert on the TV? Because this is what it comes down to

Can you tell me of the Historical Inaccuracies in the Bible? Or is this just another off the cuff off topic remark that passes into fact, because some one said it, bit like "Religion has caused more wars than anything else" ignoring the countless millions murdered by Atheist Communists in the 20th Century (in fact it the irony is it usually said by left wingers)

I tend not to believe anything that is said to me, especially on tele, i make up my own mind on the facts - if there isnt any evidence to conclude from, i usually come to the conclusion the person on the telly is talking utter crap...

There are so many innacuraces in the bible it is impossible to list them all, but some examples there was no Roman censous, Herod didnt kill the first born of every couple, there is no way Jews would carry out a crucifixation on the sabbath, why did a healthy Jesus die so quickly after being crucified when it takes many days to die, why did Vinger (used as smelling salts in roman times) kill him not revive him, Pilate was known as a cruel person with countless tales of murder and toruture why does the bible paint him as innocent... i could go on but one of my favourites is: Mark 10:46 places the healing of the blind man after Jesus left Jericho, while Luke 18:35; 19:1 places it before Jesus entered Jericho... they cant even get their stories straight between themselves...

Also as for the war comment it was wars not the number of people killed, there are a huge number of wars that are religious and only a handful of modern wars that arent... However still you havent really got much of an arguement, the crusades for example killed far more proportion of the people in Iraq than both the recent wars combined, just like the English civil war killed more of the nation (as a percentage) than both the world wars combined... it isnt scientific to suggest the population differentials shouldnt be taken into consideration, or are you like some religious people that any sort of maths or science doesnt come into it... Then taking into consideration there were elements of the communist kull that were religious, even Stalin knew he needed the church to help control the masses during the second world war, he activily used the orthodox church, just like every human uses it to control others, he then ordered a purge just before his death of many of the unorthodox religions in the USSR - so many of the millions you talk of were religous purges of people who were thought of or were different, so religion came into that thinking as well.

 

[Damocles]

Wow that's amazing. The fact that you don't even question the validity of a book that is 2000 years old is incredible. Your faith is so strong that you blindly accept direct quotes from the bible as if they're real. Man I wish I had your strength of faith. Unfortunately, I am a sane and skeptical person who doubts that a book written 2000 years ago which is riddled with historical inaccuracies and inconsistencies is a valid source.

This is why religious folk get me annoyed. You lot just blindly accept anything that a priest or religious person tells you. You have no ability to think for yourselves. There's a reason why there's such a vast difference in IQ's between religious people and atheists/agnostics.

But you will follow the word of a so called expert on the TV? Because this is what it comes down to

Can you tell me of the Historical Inaccuracies in the Bible? Or is this just another off the cuff off topic remark that passes into fact, because some one said it, bit like "Religion has caused more wars than anything else" ignoring the countless millions murdered by Atheist Communists in the 20th Century (in fact it the irony is it usually said by left wingers)

Foolish argument. Those people murdered because of their social systems; religious wars happened because of religions. Nobody has ever decided to go to war because they don't believe in a God and the others do. However, many have decided to go to war when they believe in a God and the others don't (or believe in a separate God).

You cannot draw an equivalence with these

 

[Six Skinner]

Personally i dont believe in any god, but if people get something positive from religion, then so be it. Who am i to question their faith ?

The problem i do have, is when they knock on my door and continue to tell me about their god, having already been told im not interested. You have to repect peoples views either way.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Foolish argument. Those people murdered because of their social systems; religious wars happened because of religions. Nobody has ever decided to go to war because they don't believe in a God and the others do. However, many have decided to go to war when they believe in a God and the others don't (or believe in a separate God).

You cannot draw an equivalence with these

There is a difference between killing your own people and going to war with others, but Hilter didnt believe in God but he slaughtered millions of Jews because of their religion, not because of their status in society, regardless of their status... I am not ignoring the slaughter of millions of people by communists, i think they were very wrong to do that. I dont think that makes what has been done in the name of god right just because Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussain killed millions of people... that is despite the fact that many of those mass murderers killed certain sections (Jews, unorthdox religions in Russia or Curds) of their population because of their religion, so therefore religion came into the slaughtering of millions of innocent people... bad men doing bad things, but how does them being mad and killing people, make wars in the name of religion right???

 

[Damocles]

There is a difference between killing your own people and going to war with others, but Hilter didnt believe in God but he slaughtered millions of Jews because of their religion, not because of their status in society, regardless of their status... I am not ignoring the slaughter of millions of people by communists, i think they were very wrong to do that. I dont think that makes what has been done in the name of god right just because Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussain killed millions of people... that is despite the fact that many of those mass murderers killed certain sections (Jews, unorthdox religions in Russia or Curds) of their population because of their religion, so therefore religion came into the slaughtering of millions of innocent people... bad men doing bad things, but how does them being mad and killing people, make wars in the name of religion right???

Because the point that I'm getting at, is that people have killed in the name of God, but nobody has ever killed in the name of Atheism. This argument is one giant logical fallacy; namely the fallacy of guilt by association.

I can assure you too, that Hitler DID believe in God, or at least used Catholicism to shape his society (depending on who you want to believe). Again though, this is guilt by association. Hitler had black hair too, as did Stalin, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to arrest Michael McIntyre in case he commits genocide.

Hitler killed people in the name of conquest and social control. His religion was neither here nor there. However, this doesn't mean that wars have not been fought entirely based upon religion. There are always ulterior motives sure, but the "propaganda" of the time was always difference in religion. This is how they recruited and controlled their armies; the Crusades been a good example of a war fought over other reasons, but was sold as a religious war.

 

[pauldominic]

Don't have the data in front of me but it is the case in developed/ing countries. The places where it's growing are typically the arse ends of the world (Africa, Middle East etc)

Bwahahahahahahaha

Christianity in particular is like a cancer. Just when you think its gone it pops up in another place.

You can fight against it all you like but you'll never kill it off.

Its even growing in places like China. I wouldn't call that an "arse end" as the most powerful nation on earth.

I shall finish by referencing Rabbi Gamaliel again: -

Acts 5:34-39

34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

2000 years later ...

Hmmm ....

Whilst Christianity shares some traits in common with cancer I think it's more akin to a virus tbh.

We don't need to try and kill it off, Christianity will keep on getting watered down until it no longer exists.

It won't happen in your lifetime even if you are correct, which you aren't.

 

[buzzer1]

When disclosure happens then you will see a whole new ball game.

 

[ElanJo]

Bwahahahahahahaha

Christianity in particular is like a cancer. Just when you think its gone it pops up in another place.

You can fight against it all you like but you'll never kill it off.

Its even growing in places like China. I wouldn't call that an "arse end" as the most powerful nation on earth.

I shall finish by referencing Rabbi Gamaliel again: -

Acts 5:34-39

34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

2000 years later ...

Hmmm ....

Whilst Christianity shares some traits in common with cancer I think it's more akin to a virus tbh.

We don't need to try and kill it off, Christianity will keep on getting watered down until it no longer exists.

It won't happen in your lifetime even if you are correct, which you aren't.

It won't happen in my lifetime, I don't doubt that, but it will happen eventually. You're proof of how religion slowly gets watered down. You're a Catholic. Your insane religion was even more insane in the past.

 

[pauldominic]

There is a difference between killing your own people and going to war with others, but Hilter didnt believe in God but he slaughtered millions of Jews because of their religion, not because of their status in society, regardless of their status... I am not ignoring the slaughter of millions of people by communists, i think they were very wrong to do that. I dont think that makes what has been done in the name of god right just because Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussain killed millions of people... that is despite the fact that many of those mass murderers killed certain sections (Jews, unorthdox religions in Russia or Curds) of their population because of their religion, so therefore religion came into the slaughtering of millions of innocent people... bad men doing bad things, but how does them being mad and killing people, make wars in the name of religion right???

Because the point that I'm getting at, is that people have killed in the name of God, but nobody has ever killed in the name of Atheism. This argument is one giant logical fallacy; namely the fallacy of guilt by association.

I can assure you too, that Hitler DID believe in God, or at least used Catholicism to shape his society (depending on who you want to believe). Again though, this is guilt by association. Hitler had black hair too, as did Stalin, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to arrest Michael McIntyre in case he commits genocide.

Hitler killed people in the name of conquest and social control. His religion was neither here nor there. However, this doesn't mean that wars have not been fought entirely based upon religion. There are always ulterior motives sure, but the "propaganda" of the time was always difference in religion. This is how they recruited and controlled their armies; the Crusades been a good example of a war fought over other reasons, but was sold as a religious war.

Marx called religion "The opiate of the masses". Communism was based on "Das Kapital".

Stalin was just as evil if not more so than Hitler with his Atheist Utopia.

 

[BulgarianPride]

There is a difference between killing your own people and going to war with others, but Hilter didnt believe in God but he slaughtered millions of Jews because of their religion, not because of their status in society, regardless of their status... I am not ignoring the slaughter of millions of people by communists, i think they were very wrong to do that. I dont think that makes what has been done in the name of god right just because Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussain killed millions of people... that is despite the fact that many of those mass murderers killed certain sections (Jews, unorthdox religions in Russia or Curds) of their population because of their religion, so therefore religion came into the slaughtering of millions of innocent people... bad men doing bad things, but how does them being mad and killing people, make wars in the name of religion right???

Because the point that I'm getting at, is that people have killed in the name of God, but nobody has ever killed in the name of Atheism. This argument is one giant logical fallacy; namely the fallacy of guilt by association.

I can assure you too, that Hitler DID believe in God, or at least used Catholicism to shape his society (depending on who you want to believe). Again though, this is guilt by association. Hitler had black hair too, as did Stalin, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to arrest Michael McIntyre in case he commits genocide.

Hitler killed people in the name of conquest and social control. His religion was neither here nor there. However, this doesn't mean that wars have not been fought entirely based upon religion. There are always ulterior motives sure, but the "propaganda" of the time was always difference in religion. This is how they recruited and controlled their armies; the Crusades been a good example of a war fought over other reasons, but was sold as a religious war.

Marx called religion "The opiate of the masses". Communism was based on "Das Kapital".

Stalin was just as evil if not more so than Hitler with his Atheist Utopia.

Communism attempted to ban religion, it was illegal ( no court, you just disappeared) to go to church, and celebrate religious holidays. Well we've seen what has happened with communism, any state that tries to do the same will fail.