A brief glimpse of God and Creation

[BulgarianPride]

No it isn't. Religious people, by their very nature, look down upon unbelievers. They are "lost sheep" who must hear the "Good News", because only you guys know "the Truth" and "the Word of Lord" because you are "God's chosen people" who are "created in the image of Him".

Yeah, that's not patronising at all.

People very their very nature! Football fans look down on other football fans, people of politics look down on those of different opinion, tis human nature I am afraid, just because you are religious it does not exempt you from the normal fallibilities of the human race, now the trick is to transcend the normal ego reactions, what a wonderful world it would be.

As an aside some of the religious debate on here is just one side mirror imaging the other, people call the religious for preaching, yet preach their own creed, people say religion is intolerant yet appear to be intolerant of anyone who holds a different opinion.

We can mock and name call, but beliefs are very strong and personal to each individual, and on this particular topic I bid my farewell, it all gets rather circular in the end

The problems with evolution are.....?

Dr.SWP and Dr.ElanJo as self proclaimed BM experts on evolution, can you answer 3 questions for me? I will begin with the beginning of life.

1.) How from inorganic material do we get basic life forms?
2.) Once the life forms were formed how did they reproduce?

3.) Does the envoroment play a role in evolution? If so how? Basically why is the polar bear white? Does it have to do with all the white it sees?

Finally a bonus question :) , how did a Chameleon evolve the ability to change its colour?

 

[pauldominic]

I have'nt had much to say on this thread as some of the quotes are over my head, but yet again Bluemoon does'nt disappoint.

Pauldominic has answered every single question that was aimed at him, some a little belated and as far as i can see there is only Paul and Uwerosler that have been if you like "Bombarded", it is fair enough to put eachothers points across and rigorously scrutinize one belief to the next, but Paul has'nt deserved some of the namecalling and aggression that this thread has thrown up, thick skin or not,it is'nt nice guys, that is all.

See mate, that's rubbish. PD has dodged most questions and most points, instead preferring to ramble on to his own agenda. Besides this, when he tries to cast aspersion on scientific discovery by trying to link evolution to child abuse (without even putting up a defence about this), then he's behaving in a twattish manner.

You're still barrelling on Damocles. You told me that my argument was "very compelling".

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If you listen to the scientists on the other thread, you'll hear the phrase again about "emergent properties".

You must have completely ignored a previous post of mine.

Evolution is the best explanation we have for life on earth at the moment. What else is there that can explain the behaviour of Human Beings?

Genesis?

 

[Shadz69]

I have'nt had much to say on this thread as some of the quotes are over my head, but yet again Bluemoon does'nt disappoint.

Pauldominic has answered every single question that was aimed at him, some a little belated and as far as i can see there is only Paul and Uwerosler that have been if you like "Bombarded", it is fair enough to put eachothers points across and rigorously scrutinize one belief to the next, but Paul has'nt deserved some of the namecalling and aggression that this thread has thrown up, thick skin or not,it is'nt nice guys, that is all.

You are wrong here Buzzer he dances around subjects,flatly denies certain things he knows to be true and tries to ignore some points unless pushed.
I have been on the end of his insults as have others.He doesnt need your protection he started this thread and quite rightly he is called on it.

 

[stony]

I presume that you wouldn't read an excerpt that I post from DiscWorld.

"Kick him in the fork" Nobby Nobbs

 

[buzzer1]

I have'nt had much to say on this thread as some of the quotes are over my head, but yet again Bluemoon does'nt disappoint.

Pauldominic has answered every single question that was aimed at him, some a little belated and as far as i can see there is only Paul and Uwerosler that have been if you like "Bombarded", it is fair enough to put eachothers points across and rigorously scrutinize one belief to the next, but Paul has'nt deserved some of the namecalling and aggression that this thread has thrown up, thick skin or not,it is'nt nice guys, that is all.

You are wrong here Buzzer he dances around subjects,flatly denies certain things he knows to be true and tries to ignore some points unless pushed.
I have been on the end of his insults as have others.He doesnt need your protection he started this thread and quite rightly he is called on it.

Apologies if i missed his insults, but as far as i can see and as i said earlier, he seems to get back to the 'questions' posed to him, even if you or anyone else think he's posting bolox i still think there has been a bit of nastyness thrown at him.
Anyway, as Ducado said earlier, I'M OUT. peace y'all.

 

[pauldominic]

I have'nt had much to say on this thread as some of the quotes are over my head, but yet again Bluemoon does'nt disappoint.

Pauldominic has answered every single question that was aimed at him, some a little belated and as far as i can see there is only Paul and Uwerosler that have been if you like "Bombarded", it is fair enough to put eachothers points across and rigorously scrutinize one belief to the next, but Paul has'nt deserved some of the namecalling and aggression that this thread has thrown up, thick skin or not,it is'nt nice guys, that is all.

You are wrong here Buzzer he dances around subjects,flatly denies certain things he knows to be true and tries to ignore some points unless pushed.
I have been on the end of his insults as have others.He doesnt need your protection he started this thread and quite rightly he is called on it.

Oh believe me I've had far more severe insults thrown at me.

I've had 48 years of life questioned and put under a microscope even though I'm just an ordinary person.

 

[Damocles]

Dr.SWP and Dr.ElanJo as self proclaimed BM experts on evolution, can you answer 3 questions for me? I will begin with the beginning of life.

1.) How from inorganic material do we get basic life forms?
2.) Once the life forms were formed how did they reproduce?

3.) Does the envoroment play a role in evolution? If so how? Basically why is the polar bear white? Does it have to do with all the white it sees?

Finally a bonus question :) , how did a Chameleon evolve the ability to change its colour?

I'm not sure if you think these are unanswerable questions or not, but they aren't. Hell, I've posted the answer to two of them on this forum myself

 

[BulgarianPride]

Dr.SWP and Dr.ElanJo as self proclaimed BM experts on evolution, can you answer 3 questions for me? I will begin with the beginning of life.

1.) How from inorganic material do we get basic life forms?
2.) Once the life forms were formed how did they reproduce?

3.) Does the envoroment play a role in evolution? If so how? Basically why is the polar bear white? Does it have to do with all the white it sees?

Finally a bonus question :) , how did a Chameleon evolve the ability to change its colour?

I'm not sure if you think these are unanswerable questions or not, but they aren't. Hell, I've posted the answer to two of them on this forum myself

No i know they are answerable. And yes i know you've posted the hypothesis about 1 and 2, but at the end of the day it is not the only answer ( other answers may as well exists and still be correct).

I am more interested in what ElanJo and SWP have to say about the subject. They are the only two posting with authority about the subject of evolution so i assume they know a lot more than the rest of us.

 

[Shadz69]

I have'nt had much to say on this thread as some of the quotes are over my head, but yet again Bluemoon does'nt disappoint.

Pauldominic has answered every single question that was aimed at him, some a little belated and as far as i can see there is only Paul and Uwerosler that have been if you like "Bombarded", it is fair enough to put eachothers points across and rigorously scrutinize one belief to the next, but Paul has'nt deserved some of the namecalling and aggression that this thread has thrown up, thick skin or not,it is'nt nice guys, that is all.

You are wrong here Buzzer he dances around subjects,flatly denies certain things he knows to be true and tries to ignore some points unless pushed.
I have been on the end of his insults as have others.He doesnt need your protection he started this thread and quite rightly he is called on it.

Oh believe me I've had far more severe insults thrown at me.

I've had 48 years of life questioned and put under a microscope even though I'm just an ordinary person.

Thats fair enough but you started the thread knowing that you were gonna get a reaction and you got it.
I hope it wont put you off starting em but you must know by now that people are willing to question all your views because you have made yourself a target.
I personally found you amusing till you posted some crap about a poster being still 'spiritually married' to a guy when her divorce came through.It was clear this poster was looking for a gee up and got it from all but you.
It was nasty and spiteful and some would say most un-christian like.

 

[ElanJo]

In my opinion, except for exclusive religious state-maintained schools, no, schools do not teach the word of God. They teach about many religions, their traditions, customs and teachings etc. and do not endorse one over the other or over atheism, agnosticism, humanism etc. At the same time schools also teach big bang and evolution.

You'll probably find that Primary Schools are different. I didn't go to a religious school but we had prayers and shit in assembly and were read the Bible.

From my old Primary School's prospectus:

Religious Education
Religious Education is the search for meaning and fulfilment in life and pupils’
personal experiences of this search. This process is enriched by developing
insight and experience of various faiths.
Assemblies and RE lessons are based mainly on the Christian faith and the
development of a moral framework. Knowledge, beliefs and understanding are
developed by comparing the Christian faith with other world religions. Religious
Education should make a significant contribution to the school’s spiritual and
multicultural curriculum and its ethos.
Parents can withdraw their child from the daily Act of Collective Worship
(assemblies) on religious grounds, following consultation with the Headteacher.

I doubt that it's all that more enlightened elsewhere in the country. It's too ingrained and easy to fall back on using religion for creating a moral framework.

The National Curriculum Core Subjects are:
• English
• Mathematics
• Science
• ICT
• Religious Education

It's a bad joke that Religious Education is one of the 5. If the 5th one was Philosophy we'd be far better off.

-- Tue May 31, 2011 2:18 pm --

i believe its naive to think we're on earth just by co-incidence.

Indeed, isn't is a very strange co-incidence that we need oxygen to survive and there appears to be plenty of it around!

How can we make sense of this? Isn't it about time we understood this?





Oh Hang on...

-- Tue May 31, 2011 2:23 pm --

It amazes me how people have developed such a misguided and warped opinion of Religion, Christianity and the Catholic church.

For your benefit I shall repeat myself again.

Child abuse is a consequence of evolution.
Child abusers are devious people who never had the vocation to the priesthood, but targetted it as an opportunity to pursue their deviant behaviour.
The church took a few years to get to grips with the scandal, develop a policy and implement it round the world but it has been now.

You talk a lot of shit.

-- Tue May 31, 2011 2:31 pm --

I may have missed something, I thought we were talking about child abuse about a page and a half ago?

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In a mild manifestation, this thought disorder is characterized by slippage of ideas further and further from the point of a discussion. Some of the synonyms given above (loosening of association, asyndetic thinking) are used by some authors to refer just to a loss of goal: discourse that sets off on a particular idea, wanders off and never returns to it. A related term is tangentiality—it refers to off-the-point, oblique or irrelevant answers given to questions.

Normal service resumed.

By loosening of association do you mean the way that this thread has wandered miles off topic and a lot should have posted under the tonea2003 thread?

Threads evolve but your replies are very rarely even relevant to the post you're replying to. It makes having a dialogue with you almost impossible.