A Rags comment to me today......

[bluestevei]

No it wasn't, and besides, your prawn sandwich brigade are not, by definition, fans, as you're already protesting and you're still in the CL etc.

Proper fans, like ours, have actually suffered and supported throughout, and not used plane crashes as commercial opportunities to make revenue out of dead people.

then tell me oracle ..where did the money to buy the players, build the stadium , build carrington , come from?....and please dont embarrass your self by saying the floatation...

im sure that the uefa or fa put quite a bit of money into bringing it up to standerd for the 1996 european championships

 

[Lmarkham-blueblood]

but at least the money came form the fans...no sugar daddy...so the succes was " bought" by the fans...I can live with that ...it feels better

the best clubs get the biggest global following, thus get more money. also more players will want to come to these clubs because they are winning things.

so. the best clubs get the most money and the best players. so year in, year out they widening the gap between the rest of the teams.

the rest of us may aswell not bother. clubs like YOURS are ruining football.

face it. clubs like us are mixing up the league structure and YOU dont like it

 

[dario2739]

I'm sorry I didn't realise you were the clubs treasurer - obviously you are privy to all the financial dealing the club has then... silly me!

You're throwing unsubstatiated figures at us as if that proves where money has been spent... bollocks mate!

Simple fact of the matter is - no matter who you are - that to get success you have to spend initially. I'm not arguing the point that you spent money entirely generated by the club up to a couple of seasons ago - but to get to that point you had to spend money generated through the flotation.

So now we're at our jumping off point - but in a few years if we start winning things regularly we'll be on the road to being completely self-sufficient too, absolutely no difference whatsoever.

 

[bumbles]

then tell me oracle ..where did the money to buy the players, build the stadium , build carrington , come from?....and please dont embarrass your self by saying the floatation...

im sure that the uefa or fa put quite a bit of money into bringing it up to standerd for the 1996 european championships

no they didnt ..in fact all the grounds that staged the 1996 games received NONE of the gate , the advertising or the sponsorship money ..it was a flat fee to cover costs....

 

[lloydie]

hahaha you should remember the govt got you out of the murdoch deal not the fans, and your stadium was twice "improved" with govt money
you had a rich sugar daddy that led to your 1st trophies and another one selling contaminated meat to schoolchildren to fund your subsequent success, you tart!

 

[Lmarkham-blueblood]

im sure that the uefa or fa put quite a bit of money into bringing it up to standerd for the 1996 european championships

no they didnt ..in fact all the grounds that staged the 1996 games received NONE of the gate , the advertising or the sponsorship money ..it was a flat fee to cover costs....

obsessed^^

get back to school :D

 

[bumbles]

I'm sorry I didn't realise you were the clubs treasurer - obviously you are privy to all the financial dealing the club has then... silly me!

You're throwing unsubstatiated figures at us as if that proves where money has been spent... bollocks mate!

Simple fact of the matter is - no matter who you are - that to get success you have to spend initially. I'm not arguing the point that you spent money entirely generated by the club up to a couple of seasons ago - but to get to that point you had to spend money generated through the flotation.

So now we're at our jumping off point - but in a few years if we start winning things regularly we'll be on the road to being completely self-sufficient too, absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Im not the treasury ..I just know the history and the details about the club I follow...and as it was a PUBLIC quoed company ..all the information was avaialble to everyone.....

for decades high attendacnes, paid for the ground...and fans from Moston to Mozambique buying shirts etc..paid for the players...

the fans whether local , national or corporate put their hand in the pockets to pay for that success...

it wasnt dished out to us.....thats the difference

 

[dario2739]

I'm sorry I didn't realise you were the clubs treasurer - obviously you are privy to all the financial dealing the club has then... silly me!

You're throwing unsubstatiated figures at us as if that proves where money has been spent... bollocks mate!

Simple fact of the matter is - no matter who you are - that to get success you have to spend initially. I'm not arguing the point that you spent money entirely generated by the club up to a couple of seasons ago - but to get to that point you had to spend money generated through the flotation.

So now we're at our jumping off point - but in a few years if we start winning things regularly we'll be on the road to being completely self-sufficient too, absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Im not the treasury ..I just know the history and the details about the club I follow...and as it was a PUBLIC quoed company ..all the information was avaialble to everyone.....

for decades high attendacnes, paid for the ground...and fans from Moston to Mozambique buying shirts etc..paid for the players...

the fans whether local , national or corporate put their hand in the pockets to pay for that success...

it wasnt dished out to us.....thats the difference

Oh you know the history do you, well then....

In January 1902, with debts of £2,670 – equivalent to £210,000 in 2010[10] – the club was served with a winding-up order.[11] Captain Harry Stafford found four local businessmen, including John Henry Davies (who became club president), each willing to invest £500 in return for a direct interest in running the club[12] and who subsequently changed the name; on 24 April 1902,[13] Manchester United was officially born.

and...

Following the death of the clubs principle benefactor, J.H. Davies, in October 1927, the club's finances deteriorated to the extent that Manchester United would likely have gone bankrupt had it not been for James Gibson, who, in December 1931, invested £2000 and assumed control of the club.

Two examples of cash injections that the club didn't 'earn' themselves... two examples of rich sugar daddies bailing your club out.
Sure they were a long long time ago - but hey you boys are always banging on about history, and the simple truth is that if you weren't bailed out by rich sugar daddies on both those occassions you wouldn't be banging on about anything right now!

 

[bumbles]

hahaha you should remember the govt got you out of the murdoch deal not the fans, and your stadium was twice "improved" with govt money
you had a rich sugar daddy that led to your 1st trophies and another one selling contaminated meat to schoolchildren to fund your subsequent success, you tart!

half truths and rumours become fact ...oh dear...

lets take the first point..the monopolies and mergers commision ( not the governement that was being suopported by the Murdoch press at the time) ...upheld the lobbied points raised by the fans group...the MMC was called in AFTER the fans highlighted and raised the necaasary funds to fight a legal battle.

The stadium has NEVER been funded by the goverement..I explianed earleir about 1996 ..in 1966 a GRANT of £45,000 was paid to OT...it was repaid in 1971

as for Louis edwards..I aint going to defend them

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

absolute bullshit, you have always received financial backing and that is why you have funded all of this, all the way back to the 50s and 60s, all you've managed is to be one step ahead on the commercial side, and well done to you, but to put your success down to the fans is ridiculous.