A thread about protesters

[ganganvince]

Every protest, every civil rights movement impacts on the general population. Someone, somewhere is always pissed off or inconvenienced. You might as well just say you like the idea of living in an authoritarian police state that crushes the first sign of protest or civil disobedience.

Initially the Sarah vigils had minimal impact Allegedly other groups hijacked the platform but that's a different argument.

 

[inbetween]

Every protest, every civil rights movement impacts on the general population. Someone, somewhere is always pissed off or inconvenienced. You might as well just say you like the idea of living in an authoritarian police state that crushes the first sign of protest or civil disobedience.

Come on seriously?

Answer me this, why don't they stand at the side of the road and protest? That would be a legal protest that cannot and will not be prevented, they can glue themselves to pavements and do whatever they please then.

Maybe we should have protests where you punch people you don't like? Imagine that in the dock, yes judge I beat up the MP because I disagreed with his policies on climate change, oh fair enough then.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is just thick I'm sorry.

Insulate Britain lie down in roads and their protest aim is not to peacefully protest. Their aim is to indiscriminately block anyone from using the road. Emergency vehicles use roads so that also includes emergency vehicles by default.

There is a law against blocking roads for this and many other reasons, including potentially the law you've already mentioned.

In the eyes of the law then these cases are absolutely no different, the only thing different is an emergency vehicle hasn't yet happened to of come down the road when Insulate Britain were led on it... Yet!

Insulate Britain are peacefully protesting. It’s call a sit down protest. They offer no violence. What they are doing is trying to cause maximum inconvenience and impact the general public.

Trying to link their actions to the RNLI protest is dishonest and reveals much about those trying to make that link. Criticise the Insulate Britain protests on its own terms by all means, but not with this pathetic false equivalence.

 

[BobKowalski]

...Answer me this, why don't they stand at the side of the road and protest? That would be a legal protest that cannot and will not be prevented, they can glue themselves to pavements and do whatever they please then.

Maybe we should have protests where you punch people you don't like? Imagine that in the dock, yes judge I beat up the MP because I disagreed with his policies on climate change, oh fair enough then.

That’s a job for the police. It’s one of the perks, manhandling and punching protestors. Or those at a vigil for a young woman murdered by one of their colleagues.

And this violent behaviour is invariably ‘fair enough’ for the ‘let’s ban all protests‘ brigade.

Your stance and arguments are nothing more than partisan hackery.

 

[inbetween]

That’s a job for the police. It’s one of the perks, manhandling and punching protestors. Or those at a vigil for a young woman murdered by one of their colleagues.

And this violent behaviour is invariably ‘fair enough’ for the ‘let’s ban all protests‘ brigade.

Your stance and arguments are nothing more than partisan hackery.

What's your view on pro-Brexit protesters blocking roads, I'm assuming that's fair game too then? Maybe all of these people in London have had the wrong idea, just chuck yourself in a road and then everything is fair game?

You can't change tack at will to apply certain laws based upon protests that you agree or disagree with. You either apply the law consistently or you don't apply it at all, and I'm the one who's partisan?

In either sense the RNLI protest is illegal and the Insulate Britain protests are equally illegal. Anything else means you have to choose which is more illegal than the other but in a court there is no such distinction.

 

[BobKowalski]

What's your view on pro-Brexit protesters blocking roads, I'm assuming that's fair game too then? Maybe all of these people in London have had the wrong idea, just chuck yourself in a road and then everything is fair game?

You can't change tack at will to apply certain laws based upon protests that you agree or disagree with. You either apply the law consistently or you don't apply it at all, and I'm the one who's partisan?

In either sense the RNLI protest is illegal and the Insulate Britain protests are equally illegal. Anything else means you have to choose which is more illegal than the other but in a court there is no such distinction.

Other than wondering why they are blocking traffic, I have no view on pro-Brexit protestors blocking roads - although given supply chain issues caused by Brexit I would suggest they would do more good by directing traffic rather than blocking it.

I support peaceful protest, I can even support peaceful protest that causes disruption even if I don’t agree with the cause the protest is supporting ie Brexit or advocating for people dying at sea. I may wonder what sort of twat advocates people dying at sea, but then the world is full of twats, so no real surprise.

I even think Insulate Britain, even just in purely PR terms, should have made a show of allowing emergency vehicles through. Not that I really think there was any major issue, but it may have reduced the gibbering hysteria from the ‘ban all protests‘ brigade.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Have you actually given any thought to that statement.

Illegal protests FFS , we do not yet live under a Dictatorship. Protests should never be illegal as they are a vital part of the democratic process. Close down protests, close down Democracy.

I abhor Tiny Tommy ten names and his crew of bigots and racists but i back 100% their right to protest, i vehemently disagree with everything they stand for, but if they are not allowed to protest and express their beliefs then those beliefs risk going underground and becoming subversive.

I didn't need to give it any thought, the protests were illegal, why do you think they
were jailed? This isn't a dictatorship, it's a democratic country applying the law to
lawbreakers, you appear to believe anyone can do anything whatsoever to anybody,
in support of whatever it is they want.
Thankfully, that's yet another extreme view that has not even been considered, so
they pay the price.

 

[Rascal]

I didn't need to give it any thought, the protests were illegal, why do you think they
were jailed? This isn't a dictatorship, it's a democratic country applying the law to
lawbreakers, you appear to believe anyone can do anything whatsoever to anybody,
in support of whatever it is they want.
Thankfully, that's yet another extreme view that has not even been considered, so
they pay the price.

So you would have supported the cavalry charge at Peterloo.

 

[hilts]

So you would have supported the cavalry charge at Peterloo.

I think he may have hung the suffragettes

 

[Phil1]

So you would have supported the cavalry charge at Peterloo.

Without a seconds though I reckon.