A thread about protesters

[Blue Mist]

It wasn’t taken over. The blame for the Clapham fuck up lay in the authorities not allowing the vigil to take place under Covid guidelines, which just meant the vigil took place anyway because feelings and emotions were running high and the police and Home Sec. deciding to make an example of this particular event.

There were similar events elsewhere that passed without incident as the police correctly decided that steaming in would cause more problems than they would solve.

As for this ‘mob’ that turn up everywhere, seriously how fucking dim are the police if they can’t recognise the same people getting in their faces every time?

You don’t solve anything by arresting women holding tea lights at a vigil and no amount of self serving justification is going to cut it. Oh, and kudos to the police elsewhere who used their fucking brains.

Why couldn't they just stay at home? You cannot pick which laws you want to obey and which you want to ignore. If you do go down that route don't complain when someone else punches you and steals your mobile phone. No doubt they have decided they don't agree with the law that says robbery is wrong. That's what happens when you decide to ignore rules/laws.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Why couldn't they just stay at home? You cannot pick which laws you want to obey and which you want to ignore. If you do go down that route don't complain when someone else punches you and steals your mobile phone. No doubt they have decided they don't agree with the law that says robbery is wrong. That's what happens when you decide to ignore rules/laws.

Tut tut musty, how can you suggest these brave freedom fighters stay at home!

 

[Rascal]

Why couldn't they just stay at home? You cannot pick which laws you want to obey and which you want to ignore. If you do go down that route don't complain when someone else punches you and steals your mobile phone. No doubt they have decided they don't agree with the law that says robbery is wrong. That's what happens when you decide to ignore rules/laws.

That is a fine line Misty. I think you are mixing up common sense and the law. Common sense says they stay at home, but if they feel so strongly about something then common sense can go out of the window, Having no common sense is not against the law.

What if a law was brought in banning watching Manchester City playing football.

Do you think that law would be obeyed and everyone would just say "oh well, nice one Mr Minster, lets go support United"

Just because laws are made it doesn't mean they are good laws, and also can anyone here truly say they have never broken the law?

It is why protest is an essential part of the democratic process, if bad law is passed then the right to protest against that law should be sacrosanct. There should also be the right to protest against good law too, because not everyone has the same idea of what is good and what is bad.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

That is a fine line Misty. I think you are mixing up common sense and the law. Common sense says they stay at home, but if they feel so strongly about something then common sense can go out of the window, Having no common sense is not against the law.

What if a law was brought in banning watching Manchester City playing football.

Do you think that law would be obeyed and everyone would just say "oh well, nice one Mr Minster, lets go support United"

Just because laws are made it doesn't mean they are good laws, and also can anyone here truly say they have never broken the law?

It is why protest is an essential part of the democratic process, if bad law is passed then the right to protest against that law should be sacrosanct. There should also be the right to protest against good law too, because not everyone has the same idea of what is good and what is bad.

Russ, there is a law banning us from watching city at present.

 

[Rascal]

Russ, there is a law banning us from watching city at present.

What if it was made permanent just for Manchester City.

 

[BobKowalski]

Why couldn't they just stay at home? You cannot pick which laws you want to obey and which you want to ignore. If you do go down that route don't complain when someone else punches you and steals your mobile phone. No doubt they have decided they don't agree with the law that says robbery is wrong. That's what happens when you decide to ignore rules/laws.

They tried to work within the rules and regulations and were shut down. When something touches a nerve there will be a reaction, better then to sensibly manage that reaction and allow it to go ahead and police it safely.

There is also a lot of confusion over what is ‘legal’ under the myriad of Covid rules, hence the attempt to seek clarification with the courts.

There were several vigils held that day, all policed sensibly and with no fuss apart from one where clearly the message was to ‘make an example out of them’. It was stupid, counter productive and bad PR.

 

[BobKowalski]

So, in effect if they did handle it badly it's a tiny minority of policemen then?

Yes, under orders from the senior management and above. Ministers set the tone along with the refusal to cooperate with the organisers of that particular vigil. They were defied, so an example was made of them.

Bunch of women holding tealights and flowers. You couldn‘t wish for an easier target.

 

[Blue Mist]

That is a fine line Misty. I think you are mixing up common sense and the law. Common sense says they stay at home, but if they feel so strongly about something then common sense can go out of the window, Having no common sense is not against the law.

What if a law was brought in banning watching Manchester City playing football.

Do you think that law would be obeyed and everyone would just say "oh well, nice one Mr Minster, lets go support United"

Just because laws are made it doesn't mean they are good laws, and also can anyone here truly say they have never broken the law?

It is why protest is an essential part of the democratic process, if bad law is passed then the right to protest against that law should be sacrosanct. There should also be the right to protest against good law too, because not everyone has the same idea of what is good and what is bad.

People have died alone in hospital/care homes because of covid. They have been buried with virtually no one there and yet these people don't have the common sense to stay at home.
The laws relating to covid may not be the best but they are there to keep people alive and hospitals functioning. All the people that attended put others at risk, bus drivers, tube workers etc. That is selfish and wrong.
I have no problem with any protest, BLM, CND etc in normal times. These are not normal times.
What is your position on Piers Corbyn?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Why couldn't they just stay at home? You cannot pick which laws you want to obey and which you want to ignore. If you do go down that route don't complain when someone else punches you and steals your mobile phone. No doubt they have decided they don't agree with the law that says robbery is wrong. That's what happens when you decide to ignore rules/laws.

all that is true however anti lockdown march in London and anti Bill march in Bristol today were Policed totally differently. Why do you think that was? It would have been easy for the Police who were present to steam in and arrest people peacefully protesting for breaking Covid rules ( which they should not break ) - but its that comparison that went down so badly. When the Police are ordered to break up a vigil of women protesting about the murder of a young woman for which a cop is under arrest and do so in the manner that they did and yet yesterday and today the Met and then Avon and Somerset plod put out messages telling these gatherings that what they planned was also illegal and when it was ignored they did...................?

 

[bert38]

Officers suffering broken bones during riots in Bristol. People will still justify it. This was bound to escalate once the police are abandoned by the politicians and treated like inhuman shit by the media.