A thread about protesters

[Rascal]

So those that attacked the police & set fire to vehicles are not left wing nutters but legitimate protesters?

Interesting.

No. I am saying there is no proof, but the left will get blamed, despite it being Libertarians who are most vocally against authoritarianism.

Trump did in the States when he blamed ANTIFA,

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Health warning:
@Invisible Man's Bandage thinks the Times is a left wing newspaper.

If you recall, I took you to task when you said that the Times was a staunch Conservative supporting outlet. With its ultra Remain stance and a general anti government position I said it was closest to the Lib Dems. I also said that I highly doubted that you had read it for years as it’s behind a paywall & you confirmed this.

 

[Blue Mist]

You clearly never saw Ghandi after a few shots of sambuca.

No but my throat has felt like his flip flops a few times

 

[stonerblue]

Does having Riot police in the area when there were peaceful crowds during daylight aggravate or calm down the situation?

It would have made more sense to bring in fencing and block off the area around Bridewell police station.

Bristol has a significant population of "radicals" - the more extreme of these have been involved in fire bombing a Tesco in 2011 and burning down part of the the police Firearms centre in 2013. Riot police are just a target or prize for the nutters from the People's Republic of Stokes Croft.

After being 'kettled' on more than one occasion i'd say that strategy inflames the situation.

 

[Rascal]

If you recall, I took you to task when you said that the Times was a staunch Conservative supporting outlet. With its ultra Remain stance and a general anti government position I said it was closest to the Lib Dems. I also said that I highly doubted that you had read it for years as it’s behind a paywall & you confirmed this.

I read the Times every morning and it is a staunchly right wing pro establishment newspaper, it also happens to the have the best sport writers which is why I read it and it is always good to have a RW opinion to laugh at.

The likes of Finklestein, Foges, Purves, Parris are all prominent RW opinion writers.

To consider it not RW because of its Brexit stance is like saying the Guardian is left wing because of its Brexit stance. The only newspaper on the left that was consistently pro-Brexit is the estimable Morning Star.

 

[Fordyboy46]

No excuse for the behaviour of these oxygen stealing rats.

Protest by all means,but when people get hurt and property is damaged then any point you are trying to make is completely lost.They need slapping into next week and the ringleaders need putting away for a vey long time.

But they won't mate, it will be a slap on the wrists and don't do that again

 

[Blue Mist]

Of course things are different because of Covid.

These new laws though are about more than Covid, they are using Covid as an excuse to put forward increasingly draconian authoritarian laws that will be in place after Covid. They arenot temporary, they are permanent.

Pier's Corbyn is a crackpot, why do you ask?

I ask about Corbyn because if under the current covid restrictions we allow the Clapham Common vigil/demonstration we have to allow him his basic right to protest. It does not matter that he is a crackpot, you cannot decide one is right the other is wrong.
In normal times I believe peaceful protest should always be allowed, no matter what the protest is about, and I am not sure this current police bill is needed, my argument is, protesting at the moment puts people's lives at risk and that is what I am against.

 

[stonerblue]

Ive read the conspiracy theory lunacy elsewhere,and its bollocks,this was exclusively the work of self entitled,left wing,fucktards - wankers who knowingly or otherwise cause far more harm than good in society.

How do you know they were self-entitled or left wing?

 

[Fordyboy46]

The great unwashed scruffy students doing what they do best, riot. Oxygen thieves the lot of them involved in the riot last night

 

[Blue Mist]

And you can always rely on the media to portray them as left wing nutters, even if they are not.

That is the way the media works and then idiots will believe it was left wing nutters. The left wing get further demonised and the Capitalists open some more champagne on their yachts in the Caymen Islands.

Whilst I dont agree with your political views you are right about the press/media. They will report anything and everything with a political slant. The majority have a right wing slant and should not trusted. I honestly believe that a lot of what they report is based on government prompting. I know I now sound like you but :-)

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

So sad to see how many social media algorithm junkies on both sides there are. Everything's black and white, one side vs the other.

keep clicking on those ad filled articles and posts designed to outrage you.

 

[Bozzie]

After being 'kettled' on more than one occasion i'd say that strategy inflames the situation.

It's an action that defies logic and increases tension and risk of injury in pretty much every situation I've seen. It's a demonstration of control and power which, in reality, just displays an inability to do either without resorting to indiscriminate restraint.

 

[Rascal]

I ask about Corbyn because if under the current covid restrictions we allow the Clapham Common vigil/demonstration we have to allow him his basic right to protest. It does not matter that he is a crackpot, you cannot decide one is right the other is wrong.
In normal times I believe peaceful protest should always be allowed, no matter what the protest is about, and I am not sure this current police bill is needed, my argument is, protesting at the moment puts people's lives at risk and that is what I am against.

My concern is where these powers end. They maybe introduced for the right reasons, but laws have unintended consequences and down the line post covid these laws could be used to supress all protest. They give the Home Sec enormous power and whilst no Parliament can bind another, who is to say the next Parliament will repeal the laws when they are not required.

I totally understand the reasoning behind the curtailment of protest at the moment and powers already exist to do that, so why is there need to go further.

Like I have said earlier in the thread, what if after covid something like the council decide to compulsory purchase the Etihad so United can build a new megastore. We can't protest, we just have to suck it up

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

The great unwashed scruffy students doing what they do best, riot. Oxygen thieves the lot of them involved in the riot last night

Most students these days are immaculately manicured, judging by those I've seen at my son's and daughter's universities. No way they're risking getting a hair out of place.

Not like my day. I was scruffy and unwashed.

 

[Blue Mist]

My concern is where these powers end. They maybe introduced for the right reasons, but laws have unintended consequences and down the line post covid these laws could be used to supress all protest. They give the Home Sec enormous power and whilst no Parliament can bind another, who is to say the next Parliament will repeal the laws when they are not required.

I totally understand the reasoning behind the curtailment of protest at the moment and powers already exist to do that, so why is there need to go further.

Like I have said earlier in the thread, what if after covid something like the council decide to compulsory purchase the Etihad so United can build a new megastore. We can't protest, we just have to suck it up

I agree, in some respects I am a RWNJ, in others not. Because of the deaths/covid I am against any meetings, gatherings or protests but I would not want a government, any government, to use it as an excuse to sneak bad legislation in.
I would hope the opposition would be very vocal but that also relies on a fair media, see my previous post.
The Covid laws should have gad an end date, if restrictions were still needed a new law could be brought in. At the moment they have the right to simply extend the powers it gives them.

 

[metalblue]

Does having Riot police in the area when there were peaceful crowds during daylight aggravate or calm down the situation?

It would have made more sense to bring in fencing and block off the area around Bridewell police station.

Bristol has a significant population of "radicals" - the more extreme of these have been involved in fire bombing a Tesco in 2011 and burning down part of the the police Firearms centre in 2013. Riot police are just a target or prize for the nutters from the People's Republic of Stokes Croft.

I don’t think so mate. There have been riot police “in the area” whenever I go to watch City. Has it every occurred to any of us to kick off because of it? Has it fuck.

They’d shit their pants of dibble started chucking petrol bombs their way. Fucking shithouses.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

My concern is where these powers end. They maybe introduced for the right reasons, but laws have unintended consequences and down the line post covid these laws could be used to supress all protest. They give the Home Sec enormous power and whilst no Parliament can bind another, who is to say the next Parliament will repeal the laws when they are not required.

I totally understand the reasoning behind the curtailment of protest at the moment and powers already exist to do that, so why is there need to go further.

Like I have said earlier in the thread, what if after covid something like the council decide to compulsory purchase the Etihad so United can build a new megastore. We can't protest, we just have to suck it up

That's hopefully what an effective parliamentary opposition is for. It should hold the govt/executive to account and ensure any emergency type legislation is applied for as short a time as possible and rescinded.

 

[meltonblue]

If you recall, I took you to task when you said that the Times was a staunch Conservative supporting outlet. With its ultra Remain stance and a general anti government position I said it was closest to the Lib Dems. I also said that I highly doubted that you had read it for years as it’s behind a paywall & you confirmed this.

Being remain or against a lot of what this particular government does doesn’t make them any less conservative. Or do you mean Conservative party supporting regardless of what they do?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Rags lost

Flying pig was the ringleader

 

[FantasyIreland]

How do you know they were self-entitled or left wing?

Based on the evidence of recent events and the good for fuck all vermin that attends such,call it a well educated guess.....but at least you aren't disputing the fucktard tag.