A thread about protesters

[Churchlawtonblue]

and you proof of that is?

Speak to people you will be in for a shock i feel.

 

[Manchester33]

Personnally I'd like to make my own mind up rather than be dictated to by a bunch of bone idle, time wasters and not inconvenienced against my will.

I could say the same thing about the Tory party.

 

[Blue Mist]

No doubt you would feel very differently if you were driving a loved one to a cheamo apointment and they missed it because of the actions of these selfish individuals.

Their actions are not really comparable with the Suffragettes.

I posted declarations of secession from the Southern states which stated their reasons for secession.

If ever you or @Blue Mist wish to discuss these actual documents, actual reasons and actual facts then happy to do so.

For your information, the South triggered the military conflict.

‘The event that triggered war came at Fort Sumter in Charleston Bay on April 12, 1861. Claiming this United States fort as their own, the Confederate army on that day opened fire on the federal garrison and forced it to lower the American flag in surrender.’

You keep missing the point and to be fair this has dragged on for so long I can't find the original post I responded to.
I will try one last time. The Confederate states believed in slavery. It is well documented. It made them very rich and politically powerful.
The Union also believed in slavery, they sadly had many of their own but they were not as rich nor powerful.
The civil war was not about ending slavery. It was not some dramatic uprising of a socially conscious society who saw disgraceful treatment to subjugated people in an attempt to free them.
Put in simplistic terms ending slavery was a way of destroying the power the South had not freeing black people.

 

[BobKowalski]

You keep missing the point and to be fair this has dragged on for so long I can't find the original post I responded to.
I will try one last time. The Confederate states believed in slavery. It is well documented. It made them very rich and politically powerful.
The Union also believed in slavery, they sadly had many of their own but they were not as rich nor powerful.
The civil war was not about ending slavery. It was not some dramatic uprising of a socially conscious society who saw disgraceful treatment to subjugated people in an attempt to free them.
Put in simplistic terms ending slavery was a way of destroying the power the South had not freeing black people.

The North had an industrial and manufacturing base. The South had cotton fields.

The South had slave holding states, the North had free states. The South had slaves, the North had workers.

The North had a more integrated transport system, in part to service the growing manufacturing and industrial base, the South still had cotton fields.

One of the reasons the South lost was it did not have the manufacturing capacity of the North. The South economy was agrarian based and backward thinking. Slavery was not only barbaric, but an economic cul-de-sac with wealth concentrated in too few hands.

Lincoln was opposed to slavery - “I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong" - and politically against expanding it to other States. He would have settled for no civil war and the institution dying out naturally in the South.

The South feared the political pressure to end slavery, so they seceded with the intention of protecting the institution of slavery, as they publicly stated, and triggered the civil war. They lost.

 

[ganganvince]

The North had an industrial and manufacturing base. The South had cotton fields.

The South had slave holding states, the North had free states. The South had slaves, the North had workers.

The North had a more integrated transport system, in part to service the growing manufacturing and industrial base, the South still had cotton fields.

One of the reasons the South lost was it did not have the manufacturing capacity of the North. The South economy was agrarian based and backward thinking. Slavery was not only barbaric, but an economic cul-de-sac with wealth concentrated in too few hands.

Lincoln was opposed to slavery - “I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong" - and politically against expanding it to other States. He would have settled for no civil war and the institution dying out naturally in the South.

The South feared the political pressure to end slavery, so they seceded with the intention of protecting the institution of slavery, as they publicly stated, and triggered the civil war. They lost.

Another reason the South lost could be down to only having an army approx 50% of that of the North.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

as long as you think that climate change is a Left v Right thing nothing will change

As long as you think that the way you see the world is the only way, then I expect forums like this will prove therapeutic when the end product of the wish list ends exactly the same, as usual.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Oh, I don’t know. Insulating your home would be a pretty popular option, I imagine.

Indeed, and to reinforce that truth, glue yourself to your next door neighbours front door, make sure they get the message.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You seem to have got yourself somewhat side tracked from the original point made in this thread that mentioned the American Civil War which was:
"Or copy what they are doing in the US in removing statues of Confederate Generals who waged a war in defence of slavery."
There is absolutely no doubt that the South started the war to defend the institution of slavery in the southern states. The fact that the North's initial war aim was not related to slavery and was to preserve the union does not detract from that initial point. You've built a great big straw man argument related to the war aims of the North which no one was discussing, and you are hoping that everyone has forgotten the original point. Either that or you've forgotten it yourself.

Oh really, so now you, the other bloke I'm not so sure about, have now realised that the North kept slaves, the North didn't invade the South to emancipate the slaves, Lincoln was not a vocal abolitionist until around two years after it started and they invaded to preserve the union.
It's fucking wonderful this place, I must come back in another few months.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Sorry Onslow, I just thought it might be helpful to point that out before you jump the gun on the manslaughter issue, as it is difficult to prove causation unless they were in direct proximity.

Thanks for the update Trotsky, give us a similar response when this shower of crackpots' antics kill people.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I don't really get the commotion about this right now.

These protests are incredibly effective. They've brought the subject of insulating homes onto the front pages of every newspaper for more than a week. The pressure on the government to do something is immense. I know it's frustrating for the people stuck in traffic, but if you're going to make an omelette you have to crack a few eggs.

We're in a precarious time. If we don't start making the right decisions today the world as we know it will be a distant memory within decades. I'm thankful to the protesters that they're forcing a subject like this, just like I'm thankful to anyone who campaigns under XR (who we'll be seeing a lot more of over the next two months).

Uhu is the only thing left on the shelves though mate,
that stuff wont stick two pieces of bogroll together.

 

[west didsblue]

Oh really, so now you, the other bloke I'm not so sure about, have now realised that the North kept slaves, the North didn't invade the South to emancipate the slaves, Lincoln was not a vocal abolitionist until around two years after it started and they invaded to preserve the union.
It's fucking wonderful this place, I must come back in another few months.

More random irrelevant bollocks absolutely nothing to do with the original point and bearing no relation to anything I’ve posted.
One day you might realise that people can actually read, and this habit of yours of arguing about points not made makes you look like an utter fool.
I look forward to your return in a few months when we can all laugh at your sneering stupidity again.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

These climate protesters in the UK are nuts. We are actually doing a very good job at reducing our emissions, but you would think we as a country were directly responsible for the death of the polar bears the way these loons bang on about it.

In terms of TOTAL CO2 emissions the UK is 17th on the list at 1.03% total worldwide carbon emissions.

China is 1st with a whopping 29.18% and the USA is 2nd at 14.02%. That's nearly half the total carbon emissions from just 2 countries.

Per capita the UK is way down the list with just 5.5 tonnes. China is 7.8 tonnes, but there are millions more people in China and many of them don't live in big cities. USA is unsurprisingly 15.52t, but Canada is higher with 18.58t

The UK IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

Facts matter not mate, and these motorway lunatics are exactly the same as all the rest of the preachy tossers that have gone before. They refuse to discuss, or support the fact that China and the countries you mention make our output look piddling, or that the UK is in the forefront of addressing the problem they cause such misery about. Which means, they are simply narcissistic attention seekers,
with the time and money to indulge themselves.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

I could say the same thing about the Tory party.

Those idiots were democratically voted in, the clowns stopping people going to work, appointments, emergency services etc etc, weren't...big big difference.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

More random irrelevant bollocks absolutely nothing to do with the original point and bearing no relation to anything I’ve posted.
One day you might realise that people can actually read, and this habit of yours of arguing about points not made makes you look like an utter fool.
I look forward to your return in a few months when we can all laugh at your sneering stupidity again.

Lost the argument didn't you cock? I never brought up slavery, or the confederacy, the other bloke did. You and the other half dozen far left fruitcakes occupy this place 24/7, and it's nothing like it was years ago. I smile at the frustration, particularly at that EU thread, when nobody other than you lot responds to the incessant bizarre shite posted, it tickles me pink. In fact, the vast majority of this politics thread is like a counselling session for depressed Momentum members.
Now, after arguing that black and white is really pink and green, it comes down to everything being irrelevant.
Lol.

 

[west didsblue]

Lost the argument didn't you cock? I never brought up slavery, or the confederacy, the other bloke did. You and the other half dozen far left fruitcakes occupy this place 24/7, and it's nothing like it was years ago. I smile at the frustration, particularly at that EU thread, when nobody other than you lot responds to the incessant bizarre shite posted, it tickles me pink. In fact, the vast majority of this politics thread is like a counselling session for depressed Momentum members.
Now, after arguing that black and white is really pink and green, it comes down to everything being irrelevant.
Lol.

If it makes you happy to think I lost an argument that I didn’t make then fill your boots. The nurse will be along soon to give you your medication.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You keep missing the point and to be fair this has dragged on for so long I can't find the original post I responded to.
I will try one last time. The Confederate states believed in slavery. It is well documented. It made them very rich and politically powerful.
The Union also believed in slavery, they sadly had many of their own but they were not as rich nor powerful.
The civil war was not about ending slavery. It was not some dramatic uprising of a socially conscious society who saw disgraceful treatment to subjugated people in an attempt to free them.
Put in simplistic terms ending slavery was a way of destroying the power the South had not freeing black people.

I'm afraid he's decided that it was the North's desire to end slavery that facilitated it. It will not change, because the adoption of current morality mores as a justification of interpreting history is entrenched.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I like it how AC dreams up a cabal of Momentum supporters who are posting stuff he disagrees with and that makes them wrong both with the content and the intent.

Nice to see he reads all the Brexit updates too - its a reminder of the shit show for him.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

If it makes you happy to think I lost an argument that I didn’t make then fill your boots. The nurse will be along soon to give you your medication.

You're not too far wrong there, I was hoping for stockings and suspenders, like the original uniforms, but she's akip now.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I like it how AC dreams up a cabal of Momentum supporters who are posting stuff he disagrees with and that makes them wrong both with the content and the intent.

Nice to see he reads all the Brexit updates too - its a reminder of the shit show for him.

By gum, that bait worked a treat.

 

[urban genie]

I do wonder if Covid, disatisfaction with the present labour leadership, political apathy and general laziness will affect the Demo in Manchester on the 3rd Oct.

The last few pre pandemic were always into the 5-6 figure number, but I know some who don't want to risk it crowd wise/cannot be arsed as feelong it's pointless, I am 50/50 as I feel apathetic at tue minute, but know I will turn up