A War On Three Fronts

[blueinsa]

Again, you are being emotional. State capacity in many areas has been reduced over the last decade due to austerity, this is one of the reasons why we fared comparatively badly during the pandemic. Other countries had greater State capacity.

A crisis on three fronts will stretch our State capacity beyond its reach. Just as an army cannot fight on too many fronts, neither can a State. The biggest danger of the Internal Market Bill is the attempt by London to take back devolved powers which will provoke internal conflict we will find difficult to manage. Conflict with Ireland over NI at the same time will add to the crisis, increased trade barriers with the EU (either with a deal or without) and all against the unknown variable of the virus in mid-winter will add further strain.

None of what we are doing is sensible or rationale, hence the constant appeal to the emotional (blockades, foreign powers, enemies internal and external, etc). To view any of these issues objectively is no longer possible, stirring up the emotional appeal to bolster our case also stirs up the emotional revulsion on the other side.

Nationalism and division invariably ends in tears.

Bob i can categorically assure you i am not being emotional here on this issue. Don't mistake my participation on these threads with the fact that in my daily life away from here, i barely give it a fucking thought.

Let the government and the EU negotiate and when its ended, we can discuss to death either the FTA or the no deal we have been left with.

Nationalism ends in tears? This is just you projecting i'm afraid.

You bemoan a UK wanting to be out of a political union as nationalism yet support and cheer from the sidelines a project that wants to build its own, nationalistic state, under one flag, a United States of Europe.

If only the EU was the trade club it's made out to be, we wouldn't be having half the arguments and difficulty in dealing with it.

 

[BobKowalski]

Bob i can categorically assure you i am not being emotional here on this issue. Don't mistake my participation on these threads with the fact that in my daily life away from here, i barely give it a fucking thought.

Let the government and the EU negotiate and when its ended, we can discuss to death either the FTA or the no deal we have been left with.

Your optimism that negotiations will ever end is, dare I say, more emotionally based than rationale thought.

No deal, just means more negotiations. A limited FTA just means more negotiations. Any deal will mean more negotiations. We will be negotiating for the rest of our days.

We have left the EU and that was no end point. If leaving the EU was not an end point then there will never be an end point.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Your optimism that negotiations will ever end is, dare I say, more emotionally based than rationale thought.

No deal, just means more negotiations. A limited FTA just means more negotiations. Any deal will mean more negotiations. We will be negotiating for the rest of our days.

We have left the EU and that was no end point. If leaving the EU was not an end point then there will never be an end point.

GET BREXIT DONE - That was the biggest lie of all simply because it can't ever be "done"

 

[blueinsa]

GET BREXIT DONE - That was the biggest lie of all simply because it can't ever be "done"

It can, we have done it. Your fellow remain posters on here will be at pains to tell you this im sure.

 

[west didsblue]

It can, we have done it. Your fellow remain posters on here will be at pains to tell you this im sure.

Depends what “done” means.
If “done” means leaving the EU then it’s done.
If “done” means reaching a position where a new arrangement is in place and we’re reaping the benefits (if any) then we’re years away if not decades.

 

[blueinsa]

Depends what “done” means.
If “done” means leaving the EU then it’s done.
If “done” means reaching a position where a new arrangement is in place and we’re reaping the benefits (if any) then we’re years away if not decades.

Not that long to go now.

 

[west didsblue]

Not that long to go now.

To what?

 

[blueinsa]

To what?

The end of the world as we know it and a zombie like apocalypse because we are no longer a member of the EU.

That or we know if its no deal or an agreed FTA.

 

[west didsblue]

The end of the world as we know it and a zombie like apocalypse because we are no longer a member of the EU.

That or we know if its no deal or an agreed FTA.

So once we know it’s no deal or an FTA, you do realise that doesn’t mean it’s “done” using my second definition.

 

[Rascal]

How old do you think they are?

And that's the key question, because it's the same in America with the MAGA crew. They long for an imagined past that they didn't actually experience themselves. Or at least they use said imagined past to get elected and are deliberately vague about it for that exact reason.

You see it with the endless references and almost fetishization of WW2, my grandad fought in WW2, he was a Desert Rat, he never spoke about it. Today the references to it are everywhere, from "Dunkirk spirit" to the standing alone against Hitler myth.

They long for a past that none of them saw and hopefully nobody will see again.