A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps.

[TCIB]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

I have a kinda solution...

Ok, so yeah any signal transmitted can be snooped on and possibly manipulated. So how do we circumvent that?
My idea is a closed system (standalone) for this situation. The alarm is raised and jets scrambled. These jets should have a commercial pilot in the back with a panel that can connect with this on board system.
When it connects the remote pilot has control, the cockpit is shut down and unusable. Not ideal but it is not a terrible idea.
If the pilot/person causing hell in the cockpit is smashing shit up their should be a system to incapacitate. I dunno a bit of gas released or something that is then vented out when the fucker is down.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

I have a kinda solution...

Ok, so yeah any signal transmitted can be snooped on and possibly manipulated. So how do we circumvent that?
My idea is a closed system (standalone) for this situation. The alarm is raised and jets scrambled. These jets should have a commercial pilot in the back with a panel that can connect with this on board system.
When it connects the remote pilot has control, the cockpit is shut down and unusable. Not ideal but it is not a terrible idea.
If the pilot/person causing hell in the cockpit is smashing shit up their should be a system to incapacitate. I dunno a bit of gas released or something that is then vented out when the fucker is down.

Stop talking shit and answer my question on the gardening thread ;-)

 

[paul-dkn]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

I have a kinda solution...

Ok, so yeah any signal transmitted can be snooped on and possibly manipulated. So how do we circumvent that?
My idea is a closed system (standalone) for this situation. The alarm is raised and jets scrambled. These jets should have a commercial pilot in the back with a panel that can connect with this on board system.
When it connects the remote pilot has control, the cockpit is shut down and unusable. Not ideal but it is not a terrible idea.
If the pilot/person causing hell in the cockpit is smashing shit up their should be a system to incapacitate. I dunno a bit of gas released or something that is then vented out when the fucker is down.

Remote flying airliners.....gassing the pilot.....at which point does chuck norris appear??

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

The reports said it was a steady descent and that ties in with the fact that the A320 has (or certainly used to have) three separate and I dependently control systems, any one of which can override the other two if it thinks they've done something wrong or dangerous. What civil aircraft don't usually have is terrain following radar, which low flying military planes use to avoid flying into the ground (although it doesn't seem to stop them flying into each other).

Shouldn't laugh really but my ex-boss at BAe used to tell the story (which I'm sure was apocryphal) of going to a conference in the early days of fly-by-wire systems and being asked who would be confident of flying in a plane for which their team had written the flight management system. He said he put his hand up straightaway, the only person to do so. When asked why he would feel so safe he replied "Because if my team wrote it, it would never get off the bloody ground."

 

[MCFCTrick]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

Has this 'suicidal' pilot been named yet?

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

Has this 'suicidal' pilot been named yet?

Don't think so. You will have to keep praying that his surname is Ameen or Hashem (or some other similar name) for a bit longer.

 

[inbetween]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

The reports said it was a steady descent and that ties in with the fact that the A320 has (or certainly used to have) three separate and I dependently control systems, any one of which can override the other two if it thinks they've done something wrong or dangerous. What civil aircraft don't usually have is terrain following radar, which low flying military planes use to avoid flying into the ground (although it doesn't seem to stop them flying into each other).

Shouldn't laugh really but my ex-boss at BAe used to tell the story (which I'm sure was apocryphal) of going to a conference in the early days of fly-by-wire systems and being asked who would be confident of flying in a plane for which their team had written the flight management system. He said he put his hand up straightaway, the only person to do so. When asked why he would feel so safe he replied "Because if my team wrote it, it would never get off the bloody ground."

The A320 does have a terrain display but not a radar, when activated the local terrain is imposed on the main navigation display. It does it by use of a database of the world containing height information - the plane already knows it's position by GPS and it's altitude so it can figure where it is in relation to terrain in real time. It also has the old radio altimeter which triggers the voiced GPWS alerts to warn of imminent terrain threats as it gets closer to the ground. These alerts I'm sure will certainly be heard on the voice recordings as it approached the mountaineous areas but still the terrain aspect of the GPWS can be turned off which is the norm for example during airshow displays or any planned low altitude maneuvers.

Fly-by-wire is much better now and the gold standard. I know of many pilots who made the switch from Boeing to Airbus and they swear by it. I even know an A380 pilot for BA who says the A380 is the best he has ever flown, someone who flew for the military for yonks and also was brought through on BA's first 747-400's.

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[worsleyweb]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

This is my theory. Cockpit has an issue - window has cracked of suffers decompression for some reason. Pilot a decides to go and tell Tracy the air steward and while he is talking to her - pilot b passes out and pilot a is locked out.

Pilot a has started the decent as he cant breath very well while pilot a is talking to Tracy / having a piss?

 

[jacko74]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

The most simple answer of all is to make planes automated with no pilots at all, the technology has been around for years and could easily be applied...no more suicidal pilots, no more pilots put at risk of being hijacked in fact no cockpit needed at all.

 

[west didsblue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

as I said, if.

but if, the lives of all the innocent people he's taken with him because he can't sit in his seat from Barca to Dusseldorf, outweighs anything else.

well we could all sit here making up ridiculous scenarios to back up ludicrous attacks on a recently killed pilot, such as a woman on row 13 was having a heart attack and the cabin crew called the pilot out to make an assessment

cabin crew are trained to deal with that situation, from my perspective there's no excuse, but the rules need changing, 2 people should have to be in the cockpit at all times and pilots, unless given permission for an override in a communicated emergency, should not be able to take the plane of its scheduled course. With all the gizmos available these days, every plane should be able to be monitored by both ATC, the airline and manufacturer and overrides allowed in case of emergency, You have to take the ability to do this away from pilots.

I strongly suspect you have absolutely no connection to or knowledge of the aviation industry other than as a passenger.