A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps.

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If this lad was a terrorist then why crash in a mountain why not fly upto paris back to barca or fly on to munich, berlin does not make sense to me if he wanted to make a statement he could of made a much bigger one.
 
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blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?
Have you seen the size of these trolley dollies ? In full agreement though, thought the same yesterday.
 
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remember arthur mann said:
blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?
Have you seen the size of these trolley dollies ? In full agreement though, thought the same yesterday.




It's her job to stand by the door ready to open it and not to sit next to the copilot. If he starts to get out of his chair she just opens the door and shouts.

Job done
 
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blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?

What if one of the pilots was female? Same scenario surely.

Unless female pilots are only allowed while accompanied by female co pilots.

And no offence ladies but I ain't getting on dat plane.
 
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remember arthur mann said:
blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?
Have you seen the size of these trolley dollies ? In full agreement though, thought the same yesterday.
Jet2 who I fly with a lot have some crackers, very polite as well ;)
 
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Who was the pilot ? apparently he gave his fucking best trying to smash the door down.
He may not have made it but fair bloody do's for trying mate, many would freeze with fear realizing what he did.
What was his name ?

I had depression like many others but barely wanted to talk to others let alone hurt them.
I already felt excluded from society, alone, stuck, unworthy of living. I guess there are many different nuances as the brain is so complex.
Either way though the idea of hurting someone then was further from my mind when i got my shit together.
I still get clouds of it drift over now but kind of ignore it in a way. It is a shame for those passengers he did not have the mental fortitude to battle through.
 
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Saw this on another forum. Makes interesting reading.

I'm a GP and now work in emergency medicine. I have been qualified as a doctor for 24 years. I have worked in most specialties over the years, including psychiatry. I have also been a PPL since 1983.

If the copilot did indeed deliberately fly the aircraft into the Alps, as seems very likely, then that is at first sight completely baffling. If you just want to commit suicide, why on Earth would you want to take 150 innocent people with you? It's just not rational. And that's the thing -- this act was not rational, so therefore we have to look at what could plausibly make someone act in such an irrational manner.

In this case, it is actually very easy to see what could have made him act in such an irrational manner. We know he had a history of significant mental illness -- 18 months of what seems to have been fairly severe depression -- although we don't know the details. There has also been talk that he may have been in a situational crisis recently, precipitated by breaking up with his girlfriend. Against this background, it is entirely possible he could have developed either a psychotic depression or a brief reactive psychosis. Not all psychoses are accompanied by florid delusions and odd, thought-disordered behaviour. Some can be quite encapsulated and the person can appear normal in most respects:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24421383

So if he had an encapsulated psychosis for whatever cause, it would be easy to see how he could believe, say as an example, (and I'm plucking contemporary iconography out of thin air to create a random, ludicrous proposition, which is how the delusions of people with psychosis are constructed) that in order to avoid a war between Russia and the West he had to crash his aircraft and kill himself and everyone on it because he and they were all agents of Vladimir Putin.

It's crazy and very unlikely, but this whole event is crazy and very unlikely and mad people can sometimes have crazy and very unlikely delusions (though obviously the vast majority of them are not any danger to the rest of the population) and we do know he had a history of mental illness.

I can't help remembering the engineer I saw in psychiatry as a medical student. He held down a responsible job, but he had an unshakeable, encapsulated delusion that his bosses had implanted a chip in his nose through which they kept an eye on him. In all other respects, he appeared totally plausible and functioned very well. It was quite an eye-opener and I've been thinking of him a lot in the past few days.

This was not a rational act and you really don't have to stretch that far to imagine a scenario whereby it could have occurred. The more difficult question is how you might prevent such a thing again and there is no clear answer to that, especially as we are now learning these things are not quite so unlikely as we once thought. Having two in the cockpit at all times is no panacea. A sharp push on the control column at 100 feet could have the same effect as a descent from 30,000 feet.

To pick up every pilot who might fly his aircraft into the ground, you would have to have a screening test so sensitive that it would be totally non-specific, which means that you would end up screening out tens of thousands of pilots, maybe even hundreds of thousands. And that's if you can even decide what the risk factors actually are. By the very nature of the action, the perpetrators are not around to be interviewed afterwards and it's quite possible, indeed likely, that each case has a set of unique, unpredictable precipitants and characteristics.
 
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TCIB said:
Who was the pilot ? apparently he gave his fucking best trying to smash the door down.
He may not have made it but fair bloody do's for trying mate, many would freeze with fear realizing what he did.
What was his name ?

I had depression like many others but barely wanted to talk to others let alone hurt them.
I already felt excluded from society, alone, stuck, unworthy of living. I guess there are many different nuances as the brain is so complex.
Either way though the idea of hurting someone then was further from my mind when i got my shit together.
I still get clouds of it drift over now but kind of ignore it in a way. It is a shame for those passengers he did not have the mental fortitude to battle through.

I think many people do, as per usual our low life tabloids are not doing much to help get this illness out of the shadows
 
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Good article in The New Statesman

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2015/03/shock-news-contra-mornings-headlines-people-depression-have-jobs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2 ... -have-jobs</a>

With 1 in 4 people in Britain suffering a mental illness in any given year, it's obvious many of them hold down jobs and responsibilities. So why are the headlines today so insensitive and unhelpful?
 
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tidyman said:
blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?

What if one of the pilots was female? Same scenario surely.

Unless female pilots are only allowed while accompanied by female co pilots.

And no offence ladies but I ain't getting on dat plane.
you would be amazed how many female pilots there are .
 
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sir peace frog said:
tidyman said:
blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?

What if one of the pilots was female? Same scenario surely.

Unless female pilots are only allowed while accompanied by female co pilots.

And no offence ladies but I ain't getting on dat plane.
you would be amazed how many female pilots there are .

How do you know that?

How many do you think I think there are?
 
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Mind et al have issued a response to certain irresponsible headlines this morning:

"The terrible loss of life in the Germanwings plane crash is tragic, and we send our deepest sympathies to the families. Whilst the full facts are still emerging, there has been widespread media reporting speculating about the link with the pilot’s history of depression, which has been overly simplistic.

Clearly assessment of all pilots’ physical and mental health is entirely appropriate - but assumptions about risk shouldn't be made across the board for people with depression, or any other illness. There will be pilots with experience of depression who have flown safely for decades and assessments should be made on a case by case basis.

Today’s headlines risk adding to the stigma surrounding mental health problems, which millions of people experience each year, and we would encourage the media to report this issue responsibly.”

Sue Baker, Director, Time to Change
Paul Farmer, Chief Executive, Mind
Mark Winstanley, Chief Executive, Rethink Mental Illness
 
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sir peace frog said:
tidyman said:
blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?

What if one of the pilots was female? Same scenario surely.

Unless female pilots are only allowed while accompanied by female co pilots.

And no offence ladies but I ain't getting on dat plane.
you would be amazed how many female pilots there are .
Not really mate, i'v been flying about 40 odd years and noticed the general increase of Females on the flight decks over the years, good luck to them as well, I remember flying to Cyprus about 3 years ago and the pilot was an American or Canadian Woman and it was one of the best flights i'v ever been on
 
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blue underpants said:
sir peace frog said:
tidyman said:
What if one of the pilots was female? Same scenario surely.

Unless female pilots are only allowed while accompanied by female co pilots.

And no offence ladies but I ain't getting on dat plane.
you would be amazed how many female pilots there are .
Not really mate, i'v been flying about 40 odd years and noticed the general increase of Females on the flight decks over the years, good luck to them as well, I remember flying to Cyprus about 3 years ago and the pilot was an American or Canadian Woman and it was one of the best flights i'v ever been on
Only two women have ever piloted the starship Enterprise, one of them crashed it and the other lost it!
 
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squirtyflower said:
blue underpants said:
sir peace frog said:
you would be amazed how many female pilots there are .
Not really mate, i'v been flying about 40 odd years and noticed the general increase of Females on the flight decks over the years, good luck to them as well, I remember flying to Cyprus about 3 years ago and the pilot was an American or Canadian Woman and it was one of the best flights i'v ever been on
Only two women have ever piloted the starship Enterprise, one of them crashed it and the other lost it!
I think ms Deanna "camel toe" Troi crashed it twice. Also i can think of 3 who took charge on the bridge.
 
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everythingchangesbutblue said:
squirtyflower said:
blue underpants said:
Not really mate, i'v been flying about 40 odd years and noticed the general increase of Females on the flight decks over the years, good luck to them as well, I remember flying to Cyprus about 3 years ago and the pilot was an American or Canadian Woman and it was one of the best flights i'v ever been on
Only two women have ever piloted the starship Enterprise, one of them crashed it and the other lost it!
I think ms Deanna "camel toe" Troi crashed it twice. Also i can think of 3 who took charge on the bridge.
I know they got the hump when she crashed the saucer section
 
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tidyman said:
blue underpants said:
Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?

What if one of the pilots was female? Same scenario surely.

Unless female pilots are only allowed while accompanied by female co pilots.

And no offence ladies but I ain't getting on dat plane.


they don't let gorillas in the seats.
 
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Ducado said:
manchester blue said:
Ducado said:
Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did

It's perfectly reasonable expectation that you should be fit and healthy physically and mentally to hold an aviation licence. You can't even get one if you're colour blind or at least you couldn't. If you had a choice of two planes knowing both pilots on one were depressed and the two on another were not which would you choose?

You don't seem to understand depression and to honest I can't be bothered explaining it, but if I was going to pass comment I would have made sure that I actually had an understanding first
More patient than me.

Id have said, do one, you unthinking ****.
 
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squirtyflower said:
blue underpants said:
sir peace frog said:
you would be amazed how many female pilots there are .
Not really mate, i'v been flying about 40 odd years and noticed the general increase of Females on the flight decks over the years, good luck to them as well, I remember flying to Cyprus about 3 years ago and the pilot was an American or Canadian Woman and it was one of the best flights i'v ever been on
Only two women have ever piloted the starship Enterprise, one of them crashed it and the other lost it!

Ensign Ro piloted it fine.
 
When are the news outlets going to report on the name of the pilot who was trying to get back in. A true hero who did everything he could for his passengers to the end.
 

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