Accusation of Munich chants

[Prestwich_Blue]

Was in top tier and never heard a single M chant - not one!! They really take the fookin biscuit these rag fookin trolls - anything to deflect well deseved shit away from themselves
Wankers

I was there and the chants people are talking about were after the final whistle when we were abusing Roy Keane. There was a chorus of "If you hate Man Utd..." and as usual after that there were chants of "Munich, munich".

Don't tell me you didn't hear that?

 

[BigJoe#1]

Re: The Hypocracy on this board is unbelievable

As stated in the Minuch Chants thread, the term Munich when I use it is a collective noun for Manchester United Supporters, Players or the club in general, there is no offence meant to those victims or survivors or their families.

But why is it a collective noun? Because it's got 2 syllables or it starts with MUN, which is the 3 letter abbreviation used by Sky and the PL for the rags? No - you use it because they were involved in a plane crash in which 23 people died, which they then exploited. You use it to taunt them that they've gained an advantage from the deaths. You use it to wind them up over the disaster.

Of course it's fucking offensive. People involved in the crash have said it's offensive and upsetting. Our current and previous owners have said it's offensive. What more do you need?

But I wouldn't expect anything much from someone who can't spell 'hypocrisy'. The fact you don't sing the runway song but still find it acceptable to call them 'munichs' is hypocritical in the extreme.

You really do have to get over yourself.

I do not use it to taunt them about them gaining an advantage from the deaths or to wind them up over the disaster. If I wanted to do that I'd go for the Runway song.

Anyway, you carry on singing about the having a party and I'll use the munich word at the end of "Afie Haarland is a blue". Neither is particularly tasteful but thats life.

 

[danebanksheik]

Re: The Hypocracy on this board is unbelievable

As stated in the Minuch Chants thread, the term Munich when I use it is a collective noun for Manchester United Supporters, Players or the club in general, there is no offence meant to those victims or survivors or their families.

Utter shite. The issue surely is whether you cause offence and NOT whether you mean to cause offence.

You are intelligent enough to give your explanation but can you not see that by having to explain that you mean no offence that you must know it causes offence.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Was in top tier and never heard a single M chant - not one!! They really take the fookin biscuit these rag fookin trolls - anything to deflect well deseved shit away from themselves
Wankers

I was there and the chants people are talking about were after the final whistle when we were abusing Roy Keane. There was a chorus of "If you hate Man Utd..." and as usual after that there were chants of "Munich, munich".

Don't tell me you didn't hear that?

As sad as it is I have to agree with PB as I was there too, when the "if you hate Man United" song and "Alfie Haarland is a blue" were sung the Munich word was used then, you must have heard it too.

BTW these songs were aimed directly at Roy Keane who quite frankly desreves every little bit of shit that is hurled his way. Munich or not.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Re: The Hypocracy on this board is unbelievable

As stated in the Minuch Chants thread, the term Munich when I use it is a collective noun for Manchester United Supporters, Players or the club in general, there is no offence meant to those victims or survivors or their families.

Utter shite. The issue surely is whether you cause offence and NOT whether you mean to cause offence.

You are intelligent enough to give your explanation but can you not see that by having to explain that you mean no offence that you must know it causes offence.

I'm afraid that is all about perception. I think the word hate is far too strong to use in football parlance and I get offended by it, but somethings in life happen and you have to accept that others don't always think the way you do so you just have to form your own opinions and move on.

 

[danebanksheik]

Re: The Hypocracy on this board is unbelievable

As stated in the Minuch Chants thread, the term Munich when I use it is a collective noun for Manchester United Supporters, Players or the club in general, there is no offence meant to those victims or survivors or their families.

Utter shite. The issue surely is whether you cause offence and NOT whether you mean to cause offence.

You are intelligent enough to give your explanation but can you not see that by having to explain that you mean no offence that you must know it causes offence.

I'm afraid that is all about perception. I think the word hate is far too strong to use in football parlance and I get offended by it, but somethings in life happen and you have to accept that others don't always think the way you do so you just have to form your own opinions and move on.

I am not sure I fully understand you there but you did choose to put your opinion up and I wouldnt just "move on" if I strongly disagreed.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: The Hypocracy on this board is unbelievable

As stated in the Minuch Chants thread, the term Munich when I use it is a collective noun for Manchester United Supporters, Players or the club in general, there is no offence meant to those victims or survivors or their families.

But why is it a collective noun? Because it's got 2 syllables or it starts with MUN, which is the 3 letter abbreviation used by Sky and the PL for the rags? No - you use it because they were involved in a plane crash in which 23 people died, which they then exploited. You use it to taunt them that they've gained an advantage from the deaths. You use it to wind them up over the disaster.

Of course it's fucking offensive. People involved in the crash have said it's offensive and upsetting. Our current and previous owners have said it's offensive. What more do you need?

But I wouldn't expect anything much from someone who can't spell 'hypocrisy'. The fact you don't sing the runway song but still find it acceptable to call them 'munichs' is hypocritical in the extreme.

You really do have to get over yourself.

I do not use it to taunt them about them gaining an advantage from the deaths or to wind them up over the disaster. If I wanted to do that I'd go for the Runway song.

Anyway, you carry on singing about the having a party and I'll use the munich word at the end of "Afie Haarland is a blue". Neither is particularly tasteful but thats life.

I don't sing the "having a party..." song because, as you rightly say, it's offensive to sing about someone's death, even if we don't mean it to be. The point that danebanksheikh made perhaps was more to the point. You argue that it's not offensive but just the use of the word makes it offensive.

People were warned for using the term "spic" this week on here. We could take other words like "******", "paki", "yid", "dago", "idiot", "idiot" and apply the same logic of "It's just a collective term I use. I don't mean to cause offence." Yet it would be seen as grossly offensive by the majority of people.

But the simple question is why use it and embarrass the club as well as give the rags and their friends in the media a stick to beat us with?

 

[Blue2112]

A few years ago I was at an old players do and was sat at a table alongside Albert Scanlon, one of the Busby Babes and a survivor of the crash. When I found out who he was I made it a point to have a chat with him and tell him it was a great pleasure in having the opportunity to shake his hand. Sadly Albert passed away in 2009. Down the years i've met all of the City legends but meeting Albert was such a great honour.

My mother is a United fan and my father a blue so I have been brought up hearing both sides from as early as I can remember. Yet I can't truly put into words my dislike for that club, it brings the worst out in me and i've refused to go to Old Trafford ever since they beat us 5-0 (I walked out after the 4th). I broke that curfew to take my girls to the game Michael Owen scored that last gasp winner and swore that was the end of it for me going there ever again. Everything about the place goes against the grain and I do not enjoy the feeling of being anywhere near there.

Yes I've sang Munich songs in pubs etc with crowds full of Blues when I was younger. I've took part in singing all the worst songs about it but I can't honestly remember doing it at a football ground aimed at United or their fans. I have in the past referred to their fans as Munichs. Rightly or wrongly i've always used it in the context that they've milked it for all it's worth and not as having a dig about the disaster. If that made me a bad person so be it, i'm not the perfect human being. I know some people see it as black or white, you can't respect the disaster and yet call their fans that word and they're probably right and yes I still refer to their fans as Munichs albeit to a much lesser extent these days and i've tried to mellow a lot and try not to get into any serious discussions about them. I've never been bitter and i've never been jealous of them. I've never liked to be told I hated them as the word hate is far too strong and until you meet an individual and get to know them how can honestly say you really hate them. I have family and friends who are United, and if i'm honest whenever I meet somebody for the first time and i'm told they're a rag then a voice in my head always goes off and for an instant slags them off. Then I move on and shake their hand lol.

I dislike almost everything about the club as a whole and I suppose if I could go back in time and be young again in a perfect world i'd have the strength of character to never use that term. But life's not perfect.

 

[CC1]

A few years ago I was at an old players do and was sat at a table alongside Albert Scanlon, one of the Busby Babes and a survivor of the crash. When I found out who he was I made it a point to have a chat with him and tell him it was a great pleasure in having the opportunity to shake his hand. Sadly Albert passed away in 2009. Down the years i've met all of the City legends but meeting Albert was such a great honour.

My mother is a United fan and my father a blue so I have been brought up hearing both sides from as early as I can remember. Yet I can't truly put into words my dislike for that club, it brings the worst out in me and i've refused to go to Old Trafford ever since they beat us 5-0 (I walked out after the 4th). I broke that curfew to take my girls to the game Michael Owen scored that last gasp winner and swore that was the end of it for me going there ever again. Everything about the place goes against the grain and I do not enjoy the feeling of being anywhere near there.

Yes I've sang Munich songs in pubs etc with crowds full of Blues when I was younger. I've took part in singing all the worst songs about it but I can't honestly remember doing it at a football ground aimed at United or their fans. I have in the past referred to their fans as Munichs. Rightly or wrongly i've always used it in the context that they've milked it for all it's worth and not as having a dig about the disaster. If that made me a bad person so be it, i'm not the perfect human being. I know some people see it as black or white, you can't respect the disaster and yet call their fans that word and they're probably right and yes I still refer to their fans as Munichs albeit to a much lesser extent these days and i've tried to mellow a lot and try not to get into any serious discussions about them. I've never been bitter and i've never been jealous of them. I've never liked to be told I hated them as the word hate is far too strong and until you meet an individual and get to know them how can honestly say you really hate them. I have family and friends who are United, and if i'm honest whenever I meet somebody for the first time and i'm told they're a rag then a voice in my head always goes off and for an instant slags them off. Then I move on and shake their hand lol.

I dislike almost everything about the club as a whole and I suppose if I could go back in time and be young again in a perfect world i'd have the strength of character to never use that term. But life's not perfect.

Thats a very honest summary of how many people feel. It's embarrassing to hear the M word used and I hate the fact that it gives the media another excuse to have a go at us. Very little has been said about how 'impeccable' we were at the 50th anniversary game but if so much as one fan shouts the M word a whole thread is created on here and pages get written in the media. It has to be acknowledged that whilst the Munich Air Disaster was a huge tragedy and, admit it, we would be forever gutted if it happened to us, there is no doubt that United DO milk it for all it's worth. It gets them in the news across the world every year around the anniversary time. However, we must not contribute to this by giving everyone a reason to write even more shit about us and continue the red martyrdom.

The chanting can be traced, surely, at home games using the CCTV and action must be taken by the Club. We won't miss the fans who will be banned - there are other, more appreciative fans, waiting to take their tickets. However, it's worse at away games so Club Reps must be posted in the crowd to identify and remove the culprits. It only needs to happen a few times and it will work.

For our own sake we must root out these ignorant louts

 

[Blue2112]

A few years ago I was at an old players do and was sat at a table alongside Albert Scanlon, one of the Busby Babes and a survivor of the crash. When I found out who he was I made it a point to have a chat with him and tell him it was a great pleasure in having the opportunity to shake his hand. Sadly Albert passed away in 2009. Down the years i've met all of the City legends but meeting Albert was such a great honour.

My mother is a United fan and my father a blue so I have been brought up hearing both sides from as early as I can remember. Yet I can't truly put into words my dislike for that club, it brings the worst out in me and i've refused to go to Old Trafford ever since they beat us 5-0 (I walked out after the 4th). I broke that curfew to take my girls to the game Michael Owen scored that last gasp winner and swore that was the end of it for me going there ever again. Everything about the place goes against the grain and I do not enjoy the feeling of being anywhere near there.

Yes I've sang Munich songs in pubs etc with crowds full of Blues when I was younger. I've took part in singing all the worst songs about it but I can't honestly remember doing it at a football ground aimed at United or their fans. I have in the past referred to their fans as Munichs. Rightly or wrongly i've always used it in the context that they've milked it for all it's worth and not as having a dig about the disaster. If that made me a bad person so be it, i'm not the perfect human being. I know some people see it as black or white, you can't respect the disaster and yet call their fans that word and they're probably right and yes I still refer to their fans as Munichs albeit to a much lesser extent these days and i've tried to mellow a lot and try not to get into any serious discussions about them. I've never been bitter and i've never been jealous of them. I've never liked to be told I hated them as the word hate is far too strong and until you meet an individual and get to know them how can honestly say you really hate them. I have family and friends who are United, and if i'm honest whenever I meet somebody for the first time and i'm told they're a rag then a voice in my head always goes off and for an instant slags them off. Then I move on and shake their hand lol.

I dislike almost everything about the club as a whole and I suppose if I could go back in time and be young again in a perfect world i'd have the strength of character to never use that term. But life's not perfect.

Thats a very honest summary of how many people feel. It's embarrassing to hear the M word used and I hate the fact that it gives the media another excuse to have a go at us. Very little has been said about how 'impeccable' we were at the 50th anniversary game but if so much as one fan shouts the M word a whole thread is created on here and pages get written in the media. It has to be acknowledged that whilst the Munich Air Disaster was a huge tragedy and, admit it, we would be forever gutted if it happened to us, there is no doubt that United DO milk it for all it's worth. It gets them in the news across the world every year around the anniversary time. However, we must not contribute to this by giving everyone a reason to write even more shit about us and continue the red martyrdom.

The chanting can be traced, surely, at home games using the CCTV and action must be taken by the Club. We won't miss the fans who will be banned - there are other, more appreciative fans, waiting to take their tickets. However, it's worse at away games so Club Reps must be posted in the crowd to identify and remove the culprits. It only needs to happen a few times and it will work.

For our own sake we must root out these ignorant louts

I think we need to be honest, there's probably loads of people on here refering to United as Munichs but won't admit it.There's no right way of saying this and I do hope I try to convey what i'm aiming at in the right way but it's never going to be far from people's vocabulary because it's never been allowed the time to be away from the public's attention. I can fully understand certain anniversaries being publicly remembered and it's always going to be a media item due to survivors being around etc. However I think if the disaster had been allowedtime away from the public eye to be remebered but never forgotten then things may have been slightly different - but we'll never know. What i'm getting at is quite rightly it should never be forgotten, it was a horrible day for United and Manchester as a whole but equally I do believe it was never allowed to be away from the public's viewing for too long and has without doubt gone a long way to garner the world's understanding and compassion. How many people actually know that a Manchester City and England goalkeeper died that day. Maybe City should have banged the drum louder but that's never been our way and it's never been publicly considered in any way a shocking and painful moment for City other than by our own supporters. Only when the 50th anniversary was upon us and it was suddenly used as a tool to get us all on side and I find that every bit as disrespecting and unforgiveable.

On a seperate but related issue to sympathies and public grieving extolled to Manchester United and how they and the media handle certain issues to them that really don't have any connection to other club's history and belonging. I stood in the concourse for the minutes silence to George Best. I wouldn't dream of publicly disrespecting it but I wouldn't dream for one minute of publicly acknowledging it, he wasn't a blue and wasn't somebody I respected. Great footballer yes but a figurehead of respect - No. Why were we all asked to join in the silence? I will do the same for Alex Fergurson when no doubt the football world will go into meltdown when that day eventually arrives.