Adam Wharton

Berti No Show said:
You can't say that, I dislike Bellingham, but at Wharton's age he was an England international, scoring goals in the Champions League for Dortmund and then played for the biggest club in world football and won a Champions League. Wharton is a fantastic player, but he's nowhere near that level yet. He plays for a mid table Premier League Club with no aspirations of winning league titles.
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He scored 6 goals in 23 ChampIons League appearances for Dortmund which is hardly prolific. Real Madrid have been winning Champions League titles since the year dot so you can hardly attribute his signing to them winning a CL title.
Yes his career has progressed to a higher level than Wharton's at this point but he is a year younger and by the end of this season it is highly likely he will be signed by one of the top 4 Premier League Clubs. I think you are somewhat dismissive of Crystal Palace and what they have achieved under their Manager. Given the structure of the PL they will never win a title but as we well know they can win a Cup.
The reality is that Bellingham's career might have already peaked whilst Wharton's might have not
 
skillman said:
Well, depends who you ask. I'd say 99% of neutrals - and some City fans - thought he was at the time. £55m was a heavy fee in 2016.
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Difference is midfield is the position that does need really improve upon. With Stones signing in 2016 we still had players who could help with the bedding in process.
 
RayCTID said:
I am more interested in players who actually can really improve upon the current set.
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Both Wharton and Anderson are proving to be very good players and at the correct age for us to invest. Although just my opinion I think both are far ahead of Phillips, Gonzalez, Kovacic playing 6 and Bernardo, Nunes as an 8.

So let's say you want better 6/8s there are some in Valverde and Zaire Emery but good luck in getting them. Maybe Baleba from Brighton would do a better job but his price would be eye watering
 
RayCTID said:
Player quality. Wharton isn't in that class. A more expensive version of Kalvin Phillips.
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If we were only planning to buy players of David Silva's class, we'd not buy anyone. Ever.

The fact Wharton plays in a different position and is better than the vast majority of players his age in that position is more important.
 
Earlyriser said:
He scored 6 goals in 23 ChampIons League appearances for Dortmund which is hardly prolific. Real Madrid have been winning Champions League titles since the year dot so you can hardly attribute his signing to them winning a CL title.
Yes his career has progressed to a higher level than Wharton's at this point but he is a year younger and by the end of this season it is highly likely he will be signed by one of the top 4 Premier League Clubs. I think you are somewhat dismissive of Crystal Palace and what they have achieved under their Manager. Given the structure of the PL they will never win a title but as we well know they can win a Cup.
The reality is that Bellingham's career might have already peaked whilst Wharton's might have not
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Over inflating Wharton's credentials a little. Better passer but rest Bellingham is better.
 
mattcity5 said:
If we were only planning to buy players of David Silva's class, we'd not buy anyone. Ever.

The fact Wharton plays in a different position and is better than the vast majority of players his age in that position is more important.
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Wharton cannot dictate play or have the passing abilty in tight spaces that Silva posessed.
 
Wharton is an exceptional talent and arguably the leagues best midfielder whilst Rodri's recovery is ongoing.

Anderson looks more like a flavour of the month guy tbh.
 
RayCTID said:
Wharton cannot dictate play or have the passing abilty in tight spaces that Silva posessed.
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Pretty Irrelevant. But when Silva joined us he couldn't dictate play, he played more on the fringes of things. He developed.

And Wharton plays deeper.

And the game has changed.

Wharton does what he does for Palace very well. Put him in a City side and he may well improve further.
 
RayCTID said:
Wharton cannot dictate play or have the passing abilty in tight spaces that Silva posessed.
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maybe we have Cherki for that, or maybe we want to have explosive wingers with pace, As mentioned above Wharton has his own attributes including reading the game, postional awareness, passing, endurance and these are qualities that we need. If we could get another David Silva I'd take him as well, alas DS2 isn't out there
 
chiswick blue said:
I think Bellingham is a very good player, however I agree with you that there are elements of his attitude that need improving (not sure Bellingham recognises this)
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He's not helped by his father who appears to have the same issues. His father is an ex-policeman who if he demonstrated the same attitude must have been a bit of a nightmare to come across
 
mattcity5 said:
If we were only planning to buy players of David Silva's class, we'd not buy anyone. Ever
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Actually according to those pundits "in the know", he was an immediate failure as he was "too small" and "piss weak" for the PL.
We have to trust the people in charge to find those diamonds.
Wharton's fee will be an issue for me - decent player though he is - so maybe we should look further afield
 
burnley blue mcfc said:
He’s a special young talent for all to see, but to say he’s not in David silva’s class is a crazy comparison? Merlin was on another level to almost everybody, one of our greatest ever
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I suppose really for any even vaguely sensible/fair comparison, we should compare him to David when he was 21 and a half, like Wharton is now.

Well that's how old David was at the end of the 2006/7 season. This summarises where he was at then:

Emerging Talent:
Established himself as a key player for Valencia, showcasing his skills as a dynamic midfielder.
Gained recognition for his precise passing and creativity on the field.

By the end of the 2006/2007 season, Silva was recognized as one of the brightest young talents in Spanish football, setting the stage for his future successes.

He had 1 international cap and one full season at Valencia. The one major difference was a season of CL experience, but the majority of what he had was potential - similar to Wharton.
 
RayCTID said:
Player quality. Wharton isn't in that class. A more expensive version of Kalvin Phillips.
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Not really true is it though.

Wharton reminds me of a Vitinha or even a Pedri. Everyone thinks of Pedri like he’s an Iniesta, but he’s more a Busquets who can run.

Whartons has the ability to get out of trouble and make a pass under pressure and in tight spaces, functional dribbling, just stepping one way or the other and taking a man or two or three out of the game and then making an intelligent pass.

That’s exactly what Phillips lacked, before his injury he was just a pair of lungs with a nice long ball to the wingers.
 
CΛL said:
Not really true is it though.

Wharton reminds me of a Vitinha or even a Pedri. Everyone thinks of Pedri like he’s an Iniesta, but he’s more a Busquets who can run.

Whartons has the ability to get out of trouble and make a pass under pressure and in tight spaces, functional dribbling, just stepping one way or the other and taking a man or two or three out of the game and then making an intelligent pass.

That’s exactly what Phillips lacked, before his injury he was just a pair of lungs with a nice long ball to the wingers.
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I can't say he does have that extra bit that David Silva had. He can do the defensive stuff better than Merlin but I would call that a deal clincher for the price. As for the Kalvin Phillips comparision he is good on the ball when playing deep just the rest of the game is lacking.
 
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