Adolescence

Well, I've just had to to read the other exchanges since the reply to mine.

What is patently true is the need for soft cushion landings in society and that's why today's bunch of kids in GEN Z don't know how to address situations. That is the fault of Millenials (GEN Y) looking to shortcut life through tech.

We're Human Beings that still rely on Human interaction and dealing with competition, so when GEN Z miss this crucial step (no winners, no losers), they retreat into themselves. Males (and females increasingly) suffer from this mostly because that's how they build themselves to get to 'the top of the tree'. Men sink or swim, women (most of the time) can 'monkey-branch).

Where I agree with Westy is from the social media aspect. BOTH rich "successful" men and women prey on the socially disconnected, weak strength men. Young men are victims when the word 'masculinity' is made a weapon on both sides.

Young men should be allowed to find their way forward as it's a lost skill, these days. My lad, for example, is not far off 16 and I can see he wants to be unshackled by the terminology teachings of today, but doesn't want to be penalised, creating friction at home with his mother. He's caught between the antisocial connection of social media (doesn't go out physically to hang out with friends, shaped by his mother's lack of trust of the 'outside) and exploring life outside of his home 'bubble'.

Finally, to the young man who is unaware about where 'incel' came from, it was started by a FEMALE who wanted to express her loneliness and others felt that connection. GEN Y's creation of tech and young (mostly male) people disillusion married together creating the phenomena.

What, also, didn't help this travesty is the cutting of interactive social programmes for getting young people together as in youth clubs etc, where one honed their confidence and skills.

There's much at play and not a single source of blame.
 
117 M34 said:
I'd say it's a sign of the generation.
Back in my day (and I'm not a FOC) there were plenty of lads who couldn't get laid because they weren't popular with the young ladies. Don't think anyone would have made a name up for them or them being hateful to said women.
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The stupid thing is when you've got 13 and 14 year-olds thinking like this. 13 and 14 year-olds are supposed to be celibate.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The stupid thing is when you've got 13 and 14 year-olds thinking like this. 13 and 14 year-olds are supposed to be celibate.
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Agreed, but this is where social media is at fault.

Both young males and females are impressionable, aren't they?

Some women put themselves out there for attention, younger females see said attention and look to emulate. Both young and older males are attracted to the same signs of desire that women put out.

In older times, young kids had a bit of a fumble, but celibacy seemingly tended to prevail for the most part at that age.
 
Bigga said:
Agreed, but this is where social media is at fault.

Both young males and females are impressionable, aren't they?

Some women put themselves out there for attention, younger females see said attention and look to emulate. Both young and older males are attracted to the same signs of desire that women put out.

In older times, young kids had a bit of a fumble, but celibacy seemingly tended to prevail for the most part at that age.
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Well to be fair, in terms of actual sexual activity, teenagers are doing less now than they were when I was growing up. Teenage pregnancies, drinking, STDs, etc, are all way down. But that's arguably just a sign that real-life connections have been replaced with digital ones to some extent.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Well to be fair, in terms of actual sexual activity, teenagers are doing less now than they were when I was growing up. Teenage pregnancies, drinking, STDs, etc, are all way down. But that's arguably just a sign that real-life connections have been replaced with digital ones to some extent.
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Agreed.

We're coming at it from different angles, but to the same conclusion.
 
Nevizade said:
My take for what it's worth:

Kids are mollycoddled at school now from day one. Of course, everything was always better in my day/your day etc. but when I was in school (the early/mid 90s) if we weren't pulling our weight we got pulled up on it, it'd get mentioned in school reports/parents evenings and we'd get a bollocking at home, at least I would. Now teachers can't say or do anything because of how it might affect a kid's mental health*. Don't get me started on 9th place ribbons at sports day either.

Problem with the above is when kids enter the real world they're not used to any rejection or harshness and have no idea how to deal with it.

*Please don't think for one minute I'm playing down mental health because it is a thing, but we're talking primary school age kids here.
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This is a great point

I coach junior football (have done since 2010) even now 15 years later the difference in kids is massive, my group are currently 11/12 years old and we have the usual issue of not listening and occasional misbehaviour, If I ever pull the kids up on it I then receive the messages from the parent about how I shouldn't be giving them negative comments, and or every excuse under the sun for the behaviour

This generations parents aren't great either.
 
Bigga said:
I'm not part of the current dating scene (I'm busy enough with who's around me), but what I've seen is not without personal witnessing over the last couple of years as well as online content.

Yes, there is content that looks like it might be skewed towards 'viral moments' but in a random line up for dating, you see a lot of the desire of preference come out in these shows in the US and see similar in UK content.

For your observation on preference from male and female, I tend to see ave females not 'settling' whereas ave men do, even if they may desire a 'model' like looking woman (fantasy led, mostly). Not all, of course, but women 'monkey-branch' at better options.

I've just had a really quick look at the 'Hoe_Math' channel and this is from a year ago and he's gotten much better since, but this still balances out.


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Ffs

Man addled by the internet pontificates on how youngsters are addled by the internet and offers YouTuber who produces content that shows he is clearly addled by the internet as solution.
 
jma said:
Ffs

Man addled by the internet pontificates on how youngsters are addled by the internet and offers YouTuber who produces content that shows he is clearly addled by the internet as solution.
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I'm as "addled by the internet" as you are. You're on it, are you not? Also, the same complaint you promote is the subject of the 'hit' show others are watching.

The person I offered forward has autistic tendencies and has an analytical mind that works on informational trends and tries his best to understand the value of such modern relationship trends and explain it to others.

He was on the verge of quitting this until it struck a chord for understanding.

Bit disrespectful to the man, no?
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The stupid thing is when you've got 13 and 14 year-olds thinking like this. 13 and 14 year-olds are supposed to be celibate.
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Some boys at that age haven’t even gone through puberty yet. I remember having a lack of confidence when showering after footy as a 12 year old yet doing windmills in front of mates in the changing rooms at 15 for a laugh. Similar (although I don’t want to change the topic) with the gender dysmorphic stuff; before or during puberty, as bodies are still developing, adolescents shouldn’t let their lack of development before being fully grown, added with insecurities and new hormones, cloud their mind of what they are. Worry about all that when you’re fully grown. That goes for lads when it comes to cock+balls and girls when it comes to boobs, bums and hips.

The only thing is, while some lads may have mistakenly stumbled across their Dad’s grainy 80s German perm+mullet with full furry muff porn video when we were that age, with the Dads knowing it would be sort of harmless although a bit embarrassing for their son to find it; the entire 13+14 year old generation over the last decade or so has any and every type of extreme porn and extreme mysogynistic ideas at their fingertips with few if any parental controls at no more than two-dozen taps of a phone screen in total secrecy. And that’s added to any pre- or mid-puberty insecurities, new hormones going round the body, bullying, peer-neglect, not being in the ‘in’ crowd etc.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Some boys at that age haven’t even gone through puberty yet. I remember having a lack of confidence when showering after footy as a 12 year old yet doing windmills in front of mates in the changing rooms at 15 for a laugh. Similar (although I don’t want to change the topic) with the gender dysmorphic stuff; before or during puberty, as bodies are still developing, adolescents shouldn’t let their lack of development before being fully grown, added with insecurities and new hormones, cloud their mind of what they are. Worry about all that when you’re fully grown. That goes for lads when it comes to cock+balls and girls when it comes to boobs.

The only thing is, while some lads may have mistakenly stumbled across their Dad’s grainy 80s German perm+mullet with full furry muff porn video when we were that age, with the Dads knowing it would be sort of harmless although a bit embarrassing for their son to find it; the entire 13+14 year old generation over the last decade or so has any and every type of extreme porn and extreme mysogynistic ideas at their fingertips with few if any parental controls at no more than two-dozen taps of a phone screen in total secrecy. And that’s added to any pre- or mid-puberty insecurities, new hormones going round the body, bullying, peer-neglect, not being in the ‘in’ crowd etc.
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We should of course ban the internet mate, now we know that it isn't going to happen and even regulating it wont work. because the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

20 years ago they were blaming chucky for all the stabby murders in another 20 years it will be something else, if you have ever watched borstal you'll soon realise that you will always have cunts and that's of any gender.

Don't get me started on sticking a label on GTA and explaining that little Johnny can't play it because it's not allowed :)

As I said earlier, we need to stop understanding villains and understanding victims instead, fuck the stabby rapey cunts and only fan misfits.
 
Bigga said:
I'm not part of the current dating scene (I'm busy enough with who's around me), but what I've seen is not without personal witnessing over the last couple of years as well as online content.

Yes, there is content that looks like it might be skewed towards 'viral moments' but in a random line up for dating, you see a lot of the desire of preference come out in these shows in the US and see similar in UK content.

For your observation on preference from male and female, I tend to see ave females not 'settling' whereas ave men do, even if they may desire a 'model' like looking woman (fantasy led, mostly). Not all, of course, but women 'monkey-branch' at better options.

I've just had a really quick look at the 'Hoe_Math' channel and this is from a year ago and he's gotten much better since, but this still balances out.


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You’ve just quoted a channel called “Hoe_Math”. That’s a very incel-y name for a channel.

Is the content very fair and balanced?

I take it you have watched a fair amount, as you mention it’s got better since a year ago?
 
mexico1970 said:
We should of course ban the internet mate, now we know that it isn't going to happen and even regulating it wont work. because the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

20 years ago they were blaming chucky for all the stabby murders in another 20 years it will be something else, if you have ever watched borstal you'll soon realise that you will always have cunts and that's of any gender.

Don't get me started on sticking a label on GTA and explaining that little Johnny can't play it because it's not allowed :)

As I said earlier, we need to stop understanding villains and understanding victims instead, fuck the stabby rapey cunts and only fan misfits.
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These things go beyond Chucky and GTA (I get you only used those as examples). They are intelligently purposeful in their lingual and visual enticement to certain types of insecure, impressionable young people looking for acceptance and confirmation. The young [mainly]lads being enticed into this are the victims because they are fed lies and propaganda to condition their young, inexperienced and worldly-unwise minds.

Not all of the kids who stumble upon this stuff are looking for it, but because of the way it’s cleverly presented it resonates with a certain number of them. The real villains are those pushing this towards them.

There’s a good reason things like Incel pages on Reddit get banned from the internet. They’re the same as the weirdo far left, far right, Islamist echo chambers. You wouldn’t want your 13 year old reading any of those day-after-day, getting deeper down mental rabbit holes. They’re radicalising, and as we’ve seen numerous times over the years, even nice kids from good families can become radicalised.

The UK government has looked at this as possibly being a terrorist network due to its Single-Issue Grievance categorisation, but at this moment in time falls below that. But it is still considered when studying LASIT issues.

The Threat from Left-Wing, Anarchist and Single-Issue Terrorism (LASIT) | ProtectUK

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Educating young people to understand this isn’t normal, is important. You’d be surprised how impressionable many young people are away from family norms, even when they come from good family environments.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
These things go beyond Chucky and GTA (I get you only used those as examples). They are intelligently purposeful in their lingual and visual enticement to certain types of insecure, impressionable young people looking for acceptance and confirmation. The young [mainly]lads being enticed into this are the victims because they are fed lies and propaganda to condition their young, inexperienced and worldly-unwise minds.

Not all of the kids who stumble upon this stuff are looking for it, but because of the way it’s cleverly presented it resonates with a certain number of them. The real villains are those pushing this towards them.

There’s a good reason things like Incel pages on Reddit get banned from the internet. They’re the same as the weirdo far left, far right, Islamist echo chambers. You wouldn’t want your 13 year old reading any of those day-after-day, getting deeper down mental rabbit holes. They’re radicalising, and as we’ve seen numerous times over the years, even nice kids from good families can become radicalised.

The UK government has looked at this as possibly being a terrorist network due to its Single-Issue Grievance categorisation, but at this moment in time falls below that. But it is still considered when studying LASIT issues.

The Threat from Left-Wing, Anarchist and Single-Issue Terrorism (LASIT) | ProtectUK

We look at the threat that organisations and individuals face from Left-Wing, Anarchist and Single-Issue Terrorism (LASIT).
www.protectuk.police.uk www.protectuk.police.uk

Educating young people to understand this isn’t normal, is important. You’d be surprised how impressionable many young people are away from family norms, even when they come from good family environments.
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We live in a binary choice world and the internet isn't going to go away in fact the disciples of the extremes will multiply, all we can do realistically is deal with the ensuing carnage.

Or pretend we can solve the problem by navel gazing and not apportion blame but comically claim to understand why some people have always been cunts.
 
BridgyDids said:
You’ve just quoted a channel called “Hoe_Math”. That’s a very incel-y name for a channel.

Is the content very fair and balanced?

I take it you have watched a fair amount, as you mention it’s got better since a year ago?
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Unlikely, but if you've ever seen me post about 'Hoe_Math', you'll note I thought he should change the channel name. He, also, notes this himself, at one point.

But, Mr White Knight, the channel has become exactly what it made a tongue-in-cheek joke about.

Is it "very fair and balanced"? Well, unless he's a hermaphrodite, it's likely his view comes, mainly, from the sex he's experienced in.

Much of the content varies from 300k to 3M in views. I take it they're all "incel-y" as you put it?

I'm happy to balance his views out with a female's view of similar thought pattern later on.
 
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