Age Old Argument

Carver said:
ctidcarl said:
Carver said:
Oh and don't forget that they had to play a home game against Arsenal at Anfield and another one at the Victoria Ground Stoke in 1971 after they got banned from the swamp due to some dick heads throwing knives.

Is this true?? Did they really have to play "home" games elsewhere??

I know they borrowed our ground after theirs got bombed and also when they qualified for Europe and had no floodlights - because the thick twats forgot it got dark at night.

But I never knew they played a "home" game at Anfield of all places.

Rags

Here's the programme:

Manchester-United-v-Arsen-008.jpg

They also played a European home tie at Plymouth (against St Etienne) after UEFA ordered them to play at least 250 miles from the Swamp after the rags rioted in the away leg.
 
garymj said:
Was going to ask why isnt there a london city fc ,but spurs fan already posted it.Slighty off topic,years ago on a Showmans winter quarters at cross lane in salford,the post man gave my dad a letter from his girlfreind, my mam,saying at the end of the address ,salford near manchester,to which he said , Tell your bird,salford aint near any where mate.

The closest came in the old Inter-Cities Fairs Cup when composite sides competed.

The London team during the first competition (which actually took three seasons to complete) was made-up of players from all the professional clubs in the City and reached the Final, where they lost to a Barcelona composite team (just with one player from Espanyol though).

The London XI took the crest of the City of London as their badge and was managed by Chelsea's Chairman Joe Mears.

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1st Leg London XI 2-2 Barcelona, 3rd March 1958, Stamford Bridge

Jack Kelsey (Arsenal)
Peter Sillett (Chelsea)
Jim Langley (Fulham)
Danny Blanchflower (Tottenham Hotspur)
Maurice Norman (Tottenham Hotspur)
Ken Coote (Brentford)
Vic Groves (Arsenal)
Jimmy Greaves (Chelsea)
Bobby Smith (Tottenham Hotspur)
Johnny Haynes (Fulham)
George Robb (Tottenham Hotspur)

2nd Leg Barcelona 6-0 London XI, 1st May 1958

Jack Kelsey (Arsenal)
George Wright (Leyton Orient)
Noel Cantwell (West Ham United)
Danny Blanchflower (Tottenham Hotspur)
Ken Brown (West Ham United)
Dave Bowen (Arsenal)
Terry Medwin (Tottenham Hotspur)
Vic Groves (Arsenal)
Bobby Smith (Tottenham Hotspur)
Jimmy Bloomfield (Arsenal)
Jim Lewis (Chelsea)
 
marshalls said:
Altrincham is in Trafford, in the county of Cheshire, but has a WA (Warrington) postcode. Go figure

Yep doesn't Buxton have a Stockport postcode?

Doesn't the postcode just represent which main sorting office the post for that area goes through, nothing to do with boundaries?
 
Yaaaaawwwnnn....

Can one legally enter civil partnership with an octopus in any of these said boroughs? That's the real question!
 
AJ71 said:
marshalls said:
Altrincham is in Trafford, in the county of Cheshire, but has a WA (Warrington) postcode. Go figure

Yep doesn't Buxton have a Stockport postcode?

Doesn't the postcode just represent which main sorting office the post for that area goes through, nothing to do with boundaries?


Correct.

Postcodes have nothing at all to do with geographical locations.

It is simply a logistics tool to allow Royal Mail to group and move mail around the country in the most effecient way.
 
Lordeffingham said:
It really grates to regularly people raising very accurate and relevant issues with regard to a matter about which they are absolutely correct, but then through either their lack of understanding or intellect in putting forward their evidence, leave themselves open to ridicule and counter argument, often resulting in the appearance that their adversary has indeed beaten them and shown them to be wrong after all.

I'm actually referring to an issue very close to my heart, and one which some may well profess to be a petty matter, but is that age old argument as to whether or not the rags are a Manchester Club, and should really have any right to be called 'Manchester' United at all.

I'll start by stating what the case actually is, that they are not from Manchester at all, but do form a part of Greater Manchester, so also do: Rochdale, Bolton, Wigan, Bury, Oldham and many other Towns and Boroughs.

They also do not fall under any jurisdiction of Manchester City Council, but fall under the jurisdiction of Trafford Borough Council.

Now to the real point of this post, which is I'm absolutely sick to death of seeing the above very valid argument, which causes major grief to the Rags, being weakened and watered down, by the amount of ignorant comments made in all number of places on websites Blogs and journals around the Country, where people (very often City fans) and continue to go on about Manchester United being from Salford.

They are not from Manchester, they are not from Salford, THEY ARE FROM TRAFFORD, and the only thing that even connects them with Salford is their Border with it, and also the Catholic Church's Diocese which includes Trafford as a part of it's Salford Diocese.

It might sound a bit immaterial to be raising this, but it really hacks me off when the sound argument which winds up and riles so many Rags, is weakened and laughed off due to the lack of understanding of the very key points by those reiterating it.

Below can be found many other points which may well help people in understanding the actual facts regarding this matter:

Greater Manchester consists of;-

The City of Manchester
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester</a>
The City of Salford
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Sal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Sal</a>…
The Metropolitan Borough of Trafford
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafford" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafford</a>
Town of Bolton
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton</a>
Town of Bury
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury</a>
Town of Rochdale
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale</a>
Town of Oldham
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldham" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldham</a>
Metropolitan Borough of Tameside
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tameside" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tameside</a>
Metropolitan Borough of Stockport.
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolita" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolita</a>…

NOTE, Manchester is the ONLY one that is called Manchester, whilst the others refer only to the county of Greater Manchester.


Manchester United Football Ground is located in TRAFFORD.
United's jurisdiction is TRAFFORD BOROUGH COUNCIL.

Manchester City Football Ground is located in Manchester.
City's jurisdiction is MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL.

Manchester United Football Club's address is, Old Trafford, Trafford, Greater Manchester.

Manchester City Football Club's address is, Manchester, Greater Manchester.

Manchester is the city in this case and Greater Manchester is the county.

In other words saying Manchester United are a Manchester Club is exactly the same as saying Bolton are a Manchester club, when clearly neither are.

Manchester is factually fairly small from a population perspective.

Manchester Airport IS in the city of Manchester, however Manchester is long and thin, so Manchester Airport is geographically in the region of tem miles from Manchester Town Hall, where Old Trafford Football Ground is maybe only 3 miles from it, but it doesn't alter the FACT that Manchester Airport is in Manchester and Old Trafford Football ground ISN'T.

So in summing up, as everyone should hopefully now be aware, the facts are there for everyone to see and in honesty it's not really rocket science:

Manchester United DON'T reside in the City of Manchester and haven't done or even been any part of for over 100 years, and just for additional clarification, from the Rags Club themselves, they actually hold their victory parades, or did do, at Trafford Town Hall, end of argument I hope!
If you think like this then Manchester's GDP needs to be altered as Europe's largest industrial estate (Trafford Park), the Trafford Centre, Manchester United, Salford Quays, Media City UK etc. all go towards it.

It's such an inward looking way to think to say Manchester as a city is just the borough of Manchester. Manchester's, Trafford's and Salford's (maybe even Tamside's) "town"/city centre/central business district is Manchester city centre. Oldham's Rochdale's Stockport's isn't. Also you can walk from Sale Moor into Northern Moor, Higher Broughton into Cheetham Hill, Timperley into Baguley or Odsall into Stretford into Whalley Range and you really haven't moved into or out of a different city.

This is a tired old jibe when we had little else to cling on to in the 1990s. Surely we've all moved on from this as a set of fans but also in the interest of our city in becoming a proper decent city in world terms. Do you think people at exhibitions like MIPIM look at Manchester as a pokey little borough with barely over 500,000 inhabitants?or do they look at us as a proper city?

People need to move on and live in the modern world.
 
The Road Sweeper said:
AJ71 said:
marshalls said:
Altrincham is in Trafford, in the county of Cheshire, but has a WA (Warrington) postcode. Go figure

Yep doesn't Buxton have a Stockport postcode?

Doesn't the postcode just represent which main sorting office the post for that area goes through, nothing to do with boundaries?


Correct.

Postcodes have nothing at all to do with geographical locations.

It is simply a logistics tool to allow Royal Mail to group and move mail around the country in the most effecient way.

Yes, Middlesex which was once the United Kingdom's richest county and covered much of London north of the Thames no longer exists except as a Royal Mail Postcode.
 
I was raised in trafford. Lots of rags knocking about where I grew up. Not good.
 
The stretford end used to always sing,{your the sh.. from manchester} at us in the derby,in years gone by,what made them change there minds.
 

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