Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

mcfc1632 said:
Clever as this is - it is also irrelevant to the point I was making

The senior judiciary, I am confident, will be both deeply embarrassed and irritated that some junior has mm ade this pathetic call

I am very confident that my view is accurate - have you anything of substance to evidence that it is not?
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I've just read the full judgment, which is here if you haven't already seen it, and as GDM has pointed out, there is plenty of logical argument in favour of the case being heard.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Ball-v-Johnson-FV-290519.pdf

Too many politicians of all parties wilfully lie or misrepresent statistics in order to further their own ambitions or those of their party. Personally I'm sick to death of it and if a case in open court - even if the prosecution fails - can bring some of these clowns to at least think twice about their actions then it will have been worthwhile.

The argument I've read opposing this verdict relating to "freedom of speech" I found quite bizarre and it seems to be saying it's fine to lie through your teeth in an election campaign because everybody does it - a curious attitude to take but perhaps it just illustrates the dreadful current state of British politics with regard to both politicians and the voters themselves. If a political debate can't be won without lies and misrepresentation then what is the fucking point?? As a collective we seem to be getting the politicians we deserve.

You are always confident that your view is accurate, some might interpret that as overweening arrogance on your part.
 
lancs blue said:
I've just read the full judgment, which is here if you haven't already seen it, and as GDM has pointed out, there is plenty of logical argument in favour of the case being heard.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Ball-v-Johnson-FV-290519.pdf

Too many politicians of all parties wilfully lie or misrepresent statistics in order to further their own ambitions or those of their party. Personally I'm sick to death of it and if a case in open court - even if the prosecution fails - can bring some of these clowns to at least think twice about their actions then it will have been worthwhile.

The argument I've read opposing this verdict relating to "freedom of speech" I found quite bizarre and it seems to be saying it's fine to lie through your teeth in an election campaign because everybody does it - a curious attitude to take but perhaps it just illustrates the dreadful current state of British politics with regard to both politicians and the voters themselves. If a political debate can't be won without lies and misrepresentation then what is the fucking point?? As a collective we seem to be getting the politicians we deserve.

You are always confident that your view is accurate, some might interpret that as overweening arrogance on your part.
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where Johnson could be in trouble is that ITN interview on that very bus where he points at Ben Bradshaw and denies its a lie. If it can be shown he knew then that it was untrue and just an electioneering gimmick he is fucked.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Clever as this is - it is also irrelevant to the point I was making

The senior judiciary, I am confident, will be both deeply embarrassed and irritated that some junior has mm ade this pathetic call

I am very confident that my view is accurate - have you anything of substance to evidence that it is not?
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Know a lot of judges, do you?
 
bluethrunthru said:
where Johnson could be in trouble is that ITN interview on that very bus where he points at Ben Bradshaw and denies its a lie. If it can be shown he knew then that it was untrue and just an electioneering gimmick he is fucked.
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Tell us what the lie was by the way, I've forgotten.
 
Ban-jani said:
He inflated what we give to the EU by not including the rebate that comes off the figure even before it’s sent.
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Yes, I thought that was the accusation, hunting around, it's not that simple an answer, but from approximating
various sources, it looks like the figure could be around £250 million. If we take that, give or take a few quid,
as being correct, then as £250 million is just a trifling amount, if £250 million was on the side of a bus nobody would have
had any objection?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Yes, I thought that was the accusation, hunting around, it's not that simple an answer, but from approximating
various sources, it looks like the figure could be around £250 million. If we take that, give or take a few quid,
as being correct, then as £250 million is just a trifling amount, if £250 million was on the side of a bus nobody would have
Phad any objection?
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Sophistry.

As much as this prosecution is imo,a stunt.
He brought it on himself for being a known liar.
If it'd been a remain politician in the dock would you be bothered?
 
lust overlord said:
Sophistry.

As much as this prosecution is imo,a stunt.
He brought it on himself for being a known liar.
If it'd been a remain politician in the dock would you be bothered?
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Yes, I most certainly would be bothered, there is something badly wrong when politicians are being subject
to criminal law for political campaigning, it's not exactly going to be a mammoth task to find someone else
who's fibbed is it? If this goes ahead a dangerous precedent is set, the courts would be full of similar cases daily,
let alone the problems it would cause for more historical cases.
Anyway, if it's really £250 mill, it would still have evoked the same screaming outrage, that's my point.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Yes, I most certainly would be bothered, there is something badly wrong when politicians are being subject
to criminal law for political campaigning, it's not exactly going to be a mammoth task to find someone else
who's fibbed is it? If this goes ahead a dangerous precedent is set, the courts would be full of similar cases daily,
let alone the problems it would cause for more historical cases.
Anyway, if it's really £250 mill, it would still have evoked the same screaming outrage, that's my point.
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Sorry, I can't see the point in attempting to mitigate what he lied about then.


Yes the country is rife with bullshitting politicians.
What's more this case will be fucked off or kicked into the long grass at some point anyway.So he'll get off with being embarrassed,not that it'll overly worry the arsehole.
No wonder there is very little trust in this countries politicians
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Yes, I thought that was the accusation, hunting around, it's not that simple an answer, but from approximating
various sources, it looks like the figure could be around £250 million. If we take that, give or take a few quid,
as being correct, then as £250 million is just a trifling amount, if £250 million was on the side of a bus nobody would have
had any objection?
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It’s still misleading as when you work out what we get from trade, being in the SM and CU our membership means we’re better off by the tune of 4% GDP
 
The good news is the Americans are selecting our leader now - like they want to select who we allow to be involved in our national communications hardware - GM food, chlorinated chicken and relaxed gun laws coming soon..............
 
lancs blue said:
I've just read the full judgment, which is here if you haven't already seen it, and as GDM has pointed out, there is plenty of logical argument in favour of the case being heard.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Ball-v-Johnson-FV-290519.pdf

Too many politicians of all parties wilfully lie or misrepresent statistics in order to further their own ambitions or those of their party. Personally I'm sick to death of it and if a case in open court - even if the prosecution fails - can bring some of these clowns to at least think twice about their actions then it will have been worthwhile.

The argument I've read opposing this verdict relating to "freedom of speech" I found quite bizarre and it seems to be saying it's fine to lie through your teeth in an election campaign because everybody does it - a curious attitude to take but perhaps it just illustrates the dreadful current state of British politics with regard to both politicians and the voters themselves. If a political debate can't be won without lies and misrepresentation then what is the fucking point?? As a collective we seem to be getting the politicians we deserve.

You are always confident that your view is accurate, some might interpret that as overweening arrogance on your part.
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I didn't know he'd said the official mayoral office policy was for leaving the EU. That doesn't seem part of this case but that surely goes against the separation of local authority activity between what the Council does and what councillors do for their party.
 
Vic said:
I didn't know he'd said the official mayoral office policy was for leaving the EU. That doesn't seem part of this case but that surely goes against the separation of local authority activity between what the Council does and what councillors do for their party.
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I did wonder about that when reading the full judgment but I wasn't sure of the exact responsibilities of an elected mayor in terms of pushing certain policies.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The good news is the Americans are selecting our leader now - like they want to select who we allow to be involved in our national communications hardware - GM food, chlorinated chicken and relaxed gun laws coming soon..............
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Brexit makes perfect sense to Trump however. A weakened EU means he has more clout at the negotiating table. And negotiating against the UK alone becomes a doddle. He's all for picking countries off one by one and against big trade blocs against which he is not dominant in negotiations.

The very fact Trump is pro Brexit should concern Leave voters if they were to give it a moments thought, which of course they won't be doing.
 
Someone recently said that out of all the prospective leaders, Boris - being such a slippy cnt - was probably the MOST likely to deliver a remain result.
 
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