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Because at no stage have I done so. People have answered me based on the original Sky story as though it's some kind of gotcha when it's about something else entirely. I've also said on several occasions now that criticising him for not appearing is completely valid. What it does seem to show is that an awful lot of people lack basic comprehension skills. Try answering what I've said, not what you wish I've said.
Just catching up after being away for a few days.

Fair play to you for standing your corner - and you're correct - it is a comprehension issue of those that just see Boris as someone that might lead to Brexit being 'opened up again' - this is self-evident because in these recent pages I have not spotted any Leavers getting on your case.

Now you and I might think that Boris is absolute lowlife individual with no moral compass at all - in fact a spineless ****

But that as absolutely fuck all to do with the utterly valid point you make - rather (IMO) everything to do with the agendas and concerns of the people that are on your case
 
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Some of what you said is distortions of facts, some is exaggeration and some is opinion, but as I said, wrong thread. If you want to discuss Blair, start a Blair thread.
No distortion just facts. The only distortion is in your head pal. It's all down in his record as PM. It's people like you who rewrite history in your own mind that are scary.
 
So a tiny group of people get to choose the PM for a union of 4 nations of 65 million people and it’s acceptable that none of campaigning (so far) has been open to the media and scrutiny of the people of our union and furthermore it’s perfectly acceptable not to do a televised debate with the candidates so that we can see what this tiny group of people will be choosing on our behalf?

Well that’s democracy I guess.
How many people voted to appoint Nicola Sturgeon?

How many TV debates did she 'win' - or even take part in before she secured that appointment?

After all these months of you guys wanting to keep the status quo - surely you should not want to see a change in the way things have been done for so long?
 
No distortion just facts. The only distortion is in your head pal. It's all down in his record as PM. It's people like you who rewrite history in your own mind that are scary.
Seeing as you’re pushing it, one example of an exaggeration is that it was around 50% of gold reserves sold not 95%. There’s plenty more distortions that I can’t be arsed getting into. Saying your post was all facts is actually just another distortion.
 
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UK politician in being exposed to have double-standards - being a self-serving and duplicitous arse shocker;-)
 
Correct - absolutely spot on

Were you calling Brown various shades of being a spineless **** at the time?

How many debates did he take part in? - Were you up in arms about it?

Brown was elected unopposed, so he had no one to debate with.

In the 2010 general election, Brown participated in three leaders' debates, something Cameron denied Miliband and May denied Corbyn.

You really know nowt about owt.
 
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Like I’ve previously said. I’d rather someone else but at least he lies like other people breathe so he won’t think twice of throwing the ERG under the bus when it come to prolonging his stay in No10 - he knows as well as anyone else that we are not leaving with ‘no-deal’ so he either a)tells them we will up until we won’t or b) tells them we will whilst gathering support for the current WA(with a PR tweak) then leave on 31st Oct

I’d rather a self interested careerist at this stage than an idealist
 
Like I’ve previously said. I’d rather someone else but at least he lies like other people breathe so he won’t think twice of throwing the ERG under the bus when it come to prolonging his stay in No10 - he knows as well as anyone else that we are not leaving with ‘no-deal’ so he either a)tells them we will up until we won’t or b) tells them we will whilst gathering support for the current WA(with a PR tweak) then leave on 31st Oct

I’d rather a self interested careerist at this stage than an idealist
A self interested careerist would not throw the ERG under the bus. Have you Remainers not been paying attention?
 
A self interested careerist would not throw the ERG under the bus. Have you Remainers not been paying attention?

Oh he would/will. How many of them are they? It’s maths. No deal won’t get through, his PR driven version of the current WA will

He’s lied to his wife and children, I don’t think he’ll think twice about Mogg, Francois etc

Also, I’m not a ‘remainer’ I’m someone that looks at what is in front of us and the reality is we are fucked. The least bad option is to leave, quietly and orderly
 
Oh he would/will. How many of them are they? It’s maths. No deal won’t get through, his PR driven version of the current WA will

He’s lied to his wife and children, I don’t think he’ll think twice about Mogg, Francois etc

Also, I’m not a ‘remainer’ I’m someone that looks at what is in front of us and the reality is we are fucked. The least bad option is to leave, quietly and orderly
David Cameron has fucked up this country with his hubris. What a legacy.
 
Just Googled him and he has had a colourful past with some quotes that would make the Don blush.
 
Oh he would/will. How many of them are they? It’s maths. No deal won’t get through, his PR driven version of the current WA will

He’s lied to his wife and children, I don’t think he’ll think twice about Mogg, Francois etc

Also, I’m not a ‘remainer’ I’m someone that looks at what is in front of us and the reality is we are fucked. The least bad option is to leave, quietly and orderly
With respect, you’re a Remainer, you view Brexit as a damage limitation exercise, as did the previous PM and her Remainer negotiating team, which is why we ended up with such a spectacularly bad deal.
 
Were there previously debates to select Corbyn?, Vince Cable? - anyone / ever being appointed to lead a political party?

Here are the debates for the 2015 Labour Leadership contest on TV, radio and on the internet.

Debates

Television
Programme Date Moderator Channel Location

Newsnight Wednesday 17 June; 19.00 Laura Kuenssberg BBC Two

Victoria Derbyshire Show Monday 13 July; 09.15 Victoria Derbyshire BBC Two

Sunday Politics Sunday 19 July; 11.00 Andrew Neil BBC One

Labour Leadership Hustings
Tuesday 1 September; 15.30 Krishnan Guru-Murthy Channel 4 On Channel 4 News

Labour's Future: The Final Debate
Thursday 3 September; 19.00 Adam Boulton Sky News Sage 2, The Sage, Gateshead On Sky News' YouTube

Radio

Show Date Moderator Station Information

The Labour Leadership Debate
Wednesday 22 July; 19.00 Iain Dale LBC

5 Live Breakfast Tuesday 25 August; 08.30 Nicky Campbell BBC Radio 5 Live

Online

Show Date Moderator Panel Online provider Information

The future of Labour: meet the next leader
Thursday 27 August; 19:10 Hugh Muir Rafael Behr, John Harris and Anne Perkins The Guardian Live stream
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You just pluck your posts out of your arse.
 
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Corbyn is reticent to see this country sucked in to yet another war in the Middle East, yet he's considered a traitor!

There are some folk in here who need to give their head a wobble.
 
Blair and his administration was an unmitigated disaster. Putting aside the lies to parliment over the two illegal wars he wanted and the loss of over 700 service men and women, the serious injury to over 5000 and half a million civillian deaths. He also presided over the wholesale privatisation of the NHS via PFI hospital builds at ridiculous unsusptainae jnterst rates for decades. The sale of over 95% of our gold reserves at the lowest market point in years. Giving up our rebate to the EU on an empty promise that the French would renegotiate their farming subsidy, which never happened. He also created massive division in the UK with the devolved parliaments which then resulted in the rise in nationalism we see especially north of the border. He encouraged everybody to go to university even if some wernt actually intelligent enough, then when he realised we the country couldnt pay for it he abolished free higher education and introduced tuition fees for England forcing the vote through parliment with scottish MPs. Lets also not forget his government were also responsible for the deregulation of the financial sector which resulted in massive free and easy credit, soaring house prices massive unsustainable household debt which ultimately led to the uk being at the forefront of the biggest recession in 80years. First in nearly last out.
He is without doubt the worst PM in the last 30 years an utter and complete disgrace of a man who has no humility at all.

I don't even like Blair, and certainly don't want to spend time defending him, but most of that is utter shite. Sorry.
 
Intresting that Boris is actually getting lots of scrutiny on Sky News. Former aides being lines up and asked why hes bring hidden from public questioning, hiding from debate.

Maybe our media has seen how the US appeased Trump until he was elected and dont want that happening here?
Maybe but don’t count on it. Gove is Murdoch’s lapdog so they’ll be doing as much as possible to push him and do Johnson down.
 
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How many people voted to appoint Nicola Sturgeon?

How many TV debates did she 'win' - or even take part in before she secured that appointment?

After all these months of you guys wanting to keep the status quo - surely you should not want to see a change in the way things have been done for so long?

So many things wrong with this post it’s difficult to know where to start. It’s just random words or an episode of Catchphrase.
 

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