Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

mat said:
To be honest I want a period of boring competence in politics. Just to give my head a rest.
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You can’t really have that because neither of the main political parties is solidly behind their leader, and neither has a coherent and considered manifesto. The Conservatives in the House are still horribly divided, Johnson’s removal doesn’t change that, and Labour‘s grass roots aren’t fully behind Starmer; they’re also not ready for an election this year. That means neither party is prepared to address the very real issues facing the country today or this year, so more chaos lies ahead.
 
Ric said:
The worry is that Tory leaders have been getting progressively worse. Cameron, to May, to Johnson. Could end up with someone like Truss next.
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Nobody with long-term political ambitions would touch the job- far better to wait a couple of years- so another short-term vanity project is more than likely.
 
Gabriel said:
You can’t really have that because neither of the main political parties is solidly behind their leader, and neither has a coherent and considered manifesto. The Conservatives in the House are still horribly divided, Johnson’s removal doesn’t change that, and Labour‘s grass roots aren’t fully behind Starmer; they’re also not ready for an election this year. That means neither party is prepared to address the very real issues facing the country today or this year, so more chaos lies ahead.
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All the above, as well as being correct, suitably demonstrates how utterly broken our political system is.
 
Cricket Blue said:
Surely a General Election has to be called asap when a new leader is in place as they wouldn't have a mandate from the public?
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A new PM's mandate to be there is derived from the majority in their seat. That buys them a ticket to ride the MP Gravy Train. His/her Party wins a mandate by dint of getting enough other MP's elected to form a Govt and that mandate is based upon their manifesto pledges. I'd say only if a new leader comes in and announces they have a different manifesto to that upon which they were all elected on need they then go to the country.

Thats how it works in this parliamentary system - your conclusion alludes to a presidential style one which we do not have.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
All the above, as well as being correct, suitably demonstrates how utterly broken our political system is.
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Which is why changing the leader really won’t make a jot of difference. The public has deluded itself into thinking a referendum vote can immediately resolve deep-rooted problems, or that changing a personality at the top will fundamentally make things better. It can’t and it won’t.
 
A dozen Tory MPs in the HoC while Ellis the Paymaster General says government is "functioning as normal".

SNP MP says it's the HMG Ghost Ship with a skeleton crew.

Barry Sherman (Labour) says we should work cross-party in this crisis: "I've got lots of experience in education".
 
Vic said:
A dozen Tory MPs in the HoC while Ellis the Paymaster General says government is "functioning as normal".

SNP MP says it's the HMG Ghost Ship with a skeleton crew.

Barry Sherman (Labour) says we should work cross-party in this crisis: "I've got lots of experience in education".
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it's been mentioned by various MPs that there aren't ministers available to take bills to committees. Obviously Education is the worst, as there are no MP ministers.

I don't see how people can take jobs before Johnson waffles his plans.
Conversely, Johnson is presumably trying to appoint a load of people before making his announcement.
 
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