Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

blue for life said:
The feeling I get is the people are fed up with and angry with the Tories. No matter who becomes their leader and PM I don’t think that’s going to change.
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QT was from Cheltenham last night and the anger from the vast majority of the audience was palpable in a way that you just don't normally see on that programme. The 'bring back Johnson' view was limited to a handful of gilet wearing wums. The overwhelming desire was for a GE.

Whoever wins the contest would never go to the country because they would know they will be wiped out in a way that makes '97 look like a close run thing.

So the issue is it looks like a tiny proportion of the population who aren't even remotely representative of the country will once again get to choose our PM and whatever they choose to do the people will be expected to suck it up. The argument that they have a mandate because of the last election doesn't wash because we've seen they have no intention or desire to honour parliamentary norms let alone things like manifesto commitments and have shown themselves to be highly susceptible to manipulation by the extremist wing of their party.

If it's someone like Sunak with sufficient backing from the less lunatic elements of the party then it'll be about steadying the ship and finding a way to dilute the anger and limit their losses in two years time. But if it's Johnson all bets are off because I think there's pretty much nothing he won't do to attempt to retain power. At that point we do, as GDM said, risk serious civil disorder.

So the choice is being impoverished by arguably the least incompetent of them or goodness knows what under Johnson.

The only way out of this that doesn't end in a really ugly fashion is if 40, or whatever is the number, Conservative MPs find their moral compass and do the right thing by joining the opposition in a no confidence vote. Sadly that seems like a long shot based on past behaviour (maybe more likely if it's Johnson or another ERGer that they choose) but it's our best hope of avoiding turning the country from a metaphorical dumpster fire into one that is literally burning.

Scary times ahead unless we can find 15% or so of Conservative MPs to put country before party/self.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There’s absolutely no doubt about that, the question is will it be the 40-ish that’s required. It’s a tall order, but certainly conceivable.
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I think there will be enough there to at least cause absolute chaos. They will be holding back to see who is standing. Then maybe lots of tactical nominations to keep him out hopefully.
 
Are they really going to attempt bringing back this idiot? If it’s going to be a new pm for the next two years it needs to be someone outside of the right wing takeover of the conservatives. This is just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. What fiscal ideas can Johnson bring to the table that won’t stop the economy tanking or people freezing to death?

I had to laugh at some headline in the mail that Hunt, Shapps aided by Starmer are leading a lefty plot to get us back into the EU. There are banana republics with more solid political systems than what we have.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The point has been (well) made by others on here that in some constituencies Johnson may save their seats. Some red wall, some where there is a juxtaposition of rural and urban, such as Rossendale and Darwen maybe. He still appeals to a certain demographic. Throw into the mix those seats where a shaved monkey with a blue rosette would get in, inveterate Brexiteers, plus the cult of Johnson, and you are getting dangerously close to 100 Tory MPs, I fear.

Once he’s over that threshold, he’s home and hosed, surely.
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Should have set the threshold at 150 then.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Are they really going to attempt bringing back this idiot? If it’s going to be a new pm for the next two years it needs to be someone outside of the right wing takeover of the conservatives. This is just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. What fiscal ideas can Johnson bring to the table that won’t stop the economy tanking or people freezing to death?

I had to laugh at some headline in the mail that Hunt, Shapps aided by Starmer are leading a lefty plot to get us back into the EU. There are banana republics with more solid political systems than what we have.
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Well, they want growth, growth and growth don't they?
4% of the present recession is attributed to Brexit.
Remember that single market - on our doorstep?
Solve the Northern Ireland protocol thingy at a stroke?
Or, has someone found some of those many trade deals whatshername was sorting out for us....err....oh yes; Liz Truss!
Hasn't gone so well, really, has it?!
Come back Boris! Will you be the master of the U turn?
 
the blue panther said:
Well, they want growth, growth and growth don't they?
4% of the present recession is attributed to Brexit.
Remember that single market - on our doorstep?
Solve the Northern Ireland protocol thingy at a stroke?
Or, has someone found some of those many trade deals whatshername was sorting out for us....err....oh yes; Liz Truss!
Hasn't gone so well, really, has it?!
Come back Boris! Will you be the master of the U turn?
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The problems of brexit, energy, mortgages and the cost of living in general. A person of bluster and sound byte such as Johnson will not be able to find the answers, just as Truss didn’t seem to do detail neither did he. If he is clever enough he wouldn’t even go near a leadership contest as what’s going to happen to the country is going to get a whole lot uglier. Let the gammons remember him as he is now and not another complete disaster for the country as he will be.
 
the blue panther said:
Well, they want growth, growth and growth don't they?
4% of the present recession is attributed to Brexit.
Remember that single market - on our doorstep?
Solve the Northern Ireland protocol thingy at a stroke?
Or, has someone found some of those many trade deals whatshername was sorting out for us....err....oh yes; Liz Truss!
Hasn't gone so well, really, has it?!
Come back Boris! Will you be the master of the U turn?
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As an aside that 4% figure winds me up. Your uneducated man in the street things that 4% is a small, even insignificant amount whereas the truth is that it’s the difference between a booming economy and a recession. Truss was targeting 2% growth as some sort of triumph to be focussed on and targeted.
 
Bring Johnson back will not just destroy the Conservative party but also the country. Lets see if the lemmings are prepared to really do this.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
As an aside that 4% figure winds me up. Your uneducated man in the street things that 4% is a small, even insignificant amount whereas the truth is that it’s the difference between a booming economy and a recession. Truss was targeting 2% growth as some sort of triumph to be focussed on and targeted.
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Yep.

There is universal agreement that our economy is in desperate need of growth. There is one single, straightforward measure that would virtually guarantee growth, which would be to rejoin the single market.

But nobody will even talk about it.
 
Chris in London said:
Yep.

There is universal agreement that our economy is in desperate need of growth. There is one single, straightforward measure that would virtually guarantee growth, which would be to rejoin the single market.

But nobody will even talk about it.
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I believe Labour will go there as soon as they win the election. They’d be mad not to and It’s an easy sell if you do it right. They are surely only hiding from the discussion now in fear of alienating the politically and economically illiterate.
 
So it wasn’t a nightmare it was real life. Some folk want the piece of dirt beneath our boots back! I’m going back to bed to hibernate for a year or two!!




Not really. I have a click and collect order to pick up. I still need to eat! :-)
 
Chris in London said:
Yep.

There is universal agreement that our economy is in desperate need of growth. There is one single, straightforward measure that would virtually guarantee growth, which would be to rejoin the single market.

But nobody will even talk about it.
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I'll settle for anyone or any mechanism that can get us back to having a strong pound. Sick of seeing this and it needs to be made a priority.

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Chris in London said:
Yep.

There is universal agreement that our economy is in desperate need of growth. There is one single, straightforward measure that would virtually guarantee growth, which would be to rejoin the single market.

But nobody will even talk about it.
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Even the historical darling of the right , thatcher, knew the importance of the SM and how it was essential for economic growth.
If I remember rightly she was instrumental in its design.
Then the ludicrous gammon brexiters vote in a woman who wants to look and sound like her (and their) heroine, but actually has a polar opposite view on their favourite subject - Europe.
You really can fool some of the people all of the time.
This could be proved if they really are dumb enough to re-install the lying fraud depfeffel.
 
Chris in London said:
Yep.

There is universal agreement that our economy is in desperate need of growth. There is one single, straightforward measure that would virtually guarantee growth, which would be to rejoin the single market.

But nobody will even talk about it.
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I'm as pro EU as they come. But I fully support what Labour are doing with not raising the issue of the EU.

The reason we have such awful politicians is that the Torys gave in to the hard right loonies. A toxic mix of xenophobia and neo-liberal dogma was behind there anti eu rhetoric. That plus endless lying got the vote to leave over the line.

Labour and the remain campaign before them could not take on the lies. The lying had been normalised. It was project fear and anti patriotic.....

But with a full term and tory majority these was no point repeating this circus over and over. Far better to just let the tories slowly eat themselves as project fear became cold hard reality.

Labour will not raise the issue of the EU, they will say the absolute minimum. Butr once in power Brexit will start to be reversed. There will have to be another referendum at some point but again Labour wont mention it until it is almost guaranteed that the result will be a slam dunk rejoin vote.
 
I think the members are already being primed by the loony fringe for cries of a "stitch up" by MP's if BJ doesn't get to the threshold and put forward to their vote.
 
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