Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Ban-jani]

This is dumb. You’re wrong. Among other things, I run business surveys for a living. I spend hours with consumer confidence surveys. I backward engineer other people’s work sometimes. Opinion polls have underlying statistical principles built into them that make them either useful or not useful. I know the difference; you don’t. Stop writing before you hurt yourself.

Before I hurt myself?

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

I too used to work in Market Research, for 5 years in fact, I was involved in taking surveys and publishing the information.

Just because you don’t do that and just because the business I worked for doesn’t do that, doesn’t mean some pollsters aren’t trying to use polls for agendas.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Before I hurt myself?

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

I too used to work in Market Research, for 5 years in fact, I was involved in taking surveys and publishing the information.

Just because you don’t do that and just because the business I worked for doesn’t do that, doesn’t mean some pollsters aren’t trying to use polls for agendas.

Please point out your use of the word "some" in the following sentence fragment, which is a quote from you:

Polling is done to sway opinion not capture it

If you meant "some" polling, write "some". Better, point out the polling to which you are referring. As written, that sentence is a sloppy generalization, and incorrect.

 

[Ban-jani]

Please point out your use of the word "some" in the following sentence fragment, which is a quote from you:

Polling is done to sway opinion not capture it

I repeat: that statement is dumb, and it's wrong. If you meant "some" polling, write "some". Better, point out the polling to which you are referring.

That statement neither says all nor some. It’s just a statement that it happens.

Which it does, it’s often inaccurate and it’s clearly done to sway opinion at certain times.

There’s actually anger from remain voting elements in the UK, that the tactic of suggesting remain was going to win comfortably, to back the cause, backfired and made some people apathetic to going out to vote.

I’ll never believe a poll again prior to a vote.

 

[domalino]

Cortez anyone?

Why are you bringing up AOC in the Thatcher thread?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

That statement neither says all nor some. It’s just a statement that it happens.

Which it does, it’s often inaccurate and it’s clearly done to sway opinion at certain times.

There’s actually anger from remain voting elements in the UK, that the tactic of suggesting remain was going to win comfortably, to back the cause, backfired and made some people apathetic to going out to vote.

I’ll never believe a poll again prior to a vote.

Stop it. The statement implies ALL polling. You're being stubborn. It was a bad sentence written to make a point. Just write this: "I should have said 'some'". See? Not that hard.

Polls aren't predictions, for about the 45,823rd time me and others have had to type this. They are snapshots of perspectives in time. They are rulers, not crystal balls.

Polls are "inaccurate" when they do not reflect adequately what is measured. No ruler can measure infinity; no poll can guarantee that is has accurately surveyed every single data set if it utilized to generalize about a population overall via sampling. We use statistics to infer broader trends from smaller trends. That's what we use confidence intervals for.

When one polls a population about a HYPOTHETICAL action (to take place in the future), it's especially risky to rely on them as adequate predictors of reality.

 

[Ban-jani]

Stop it. The statement implies ALL polling. You're being stubborn. It was a bad sentence written to make a point. Just write this: "I should have said 'some'". See? Not that hard.

Polls aren't predictions, for about the 45,823rd time me and others have had to type this. They are snapshots of perspectives in time. They are rulers, not crystal balls.

Polls are "inaccurate" when they do not reflect adequately what is measured. No ruler can measure infinity; no poll can guarantee that is has accurately surveyed every single data set if it utilized to generalize about a population overall via sampling. We use statistics to infer broader trends from smaller trends. That's what we use confidence intervals for.

When one polls a population about a HYPOTHETICAL action (to take place in the future), it's especially risky to rely on them as adequate predictors of reality.

No I won’t stop it.

I say what the fuck I want thank you.

It doesn’t imply it at all, it just simply states it happens.

The statement “guns are used to kill people” is true. Not all guns are used for that but that sentence is factually correct.

You’ve added the context to my statement and got angry over it, you stop it.

The rest of your post has just won the original argument for me, so thank you. Polling shouldn’t be used as an argument, again thank you for pointing that out.

 

[Ric]

Let’s keep it on topic please fellas.

 

[bugsyblue]

The Mods need to get the mop out on this one. The thread is about an intelligent progressive young politician, not a dead divisive tyrant who ruled before most of us were even born.

 

[Ban-jani]

The Mods need to get the mop out on this one. The thread is about an intelligent progressive young politician, not a dead divisive tyrant who ruled before most of us were even born.

If you think AOC is more intelligent than Thatcher you’re living in cloud cuckoo land.

What an amazing young politician, it’s easy when you just lie, ask Bojo :

 

[bugsyblue]

If you think AOC is more intelligent than Thatcher you’re living in cloud cuckoo land.

What an amazing young politician, it’s easy when you just lie, ask Bojo :

Well I didn't say she was smarter than Thatcher did I... I said she was smart. If you don't think AOC is a very intelligent savvy young woman then you're, frankly, dumb.