Alexei Navalny dead

Churchlawtonblue said:
It happened in Romania with Ceausescu and Gaddafi in Libyia.

Im convinced that most Russians don't really care or are they just cowards.
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I feel sorry for Russians because it doesn't really matter what view they have, they either support Putin or they don't but it doesn't really matter. Putin doesn't rely on polls, elections or similar because that would only come to matter if the people can vote him out or organise against him but that is impossible because Russia is a KGB/GRU/FSB police state.

If the Russians are cowards then you have to ask what they could actually do? If this happened in the UK then what would we do? We have the rule of law and elections, Russia has none of these things. They do technically have elections but the result is totally irrelevant because it's fixed. You could protest but protests against Putin are illegal and any person deemed to organise an opposition faces forever in prison or death.

The only true powerful opposition to Putin are the ogliarchs who own and control everything plus his allies in the neighbouring states such as Belarus or Chechnya. The problem with this is Putin takes care of those people and they have no reason to oppose him but when they do the end result is obvious, just look at Prigozhin.

We can look at what's happened in Ukraine but the world has turned a blind eye to Putin for decades. Where else can a guy change his own country's constitution to enable him to essentially stay in power forever? It's because he's an ex-KGB guy, imagine the dirt that he has on people and imagine the iron fist rule he has behind him to get those changes done.

Putin is essentially the mafia boss of the largest syndicate of mafia bosses in the world, and that mafia syndicate itself is basically a major nuclear armed country.
 
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inbetween said:
I feel sorry for Russians because it doesn't really matter what view they have, they either support Putin or they don't but it doesn't really matter. Putin doesn't rely on polls, elections or similar because that would only come to matter if the people can vote him out or organise against him but that is impossible because Russia is a KGB police state.

If the Russians are cowards then you have to ask what they could actually do? If this happened in the UK then what would we do? We have the rule of law and elections, Russia has none of these things. They do technically have elections but the result is totally irrelevant because it's fixed. You could protest but protests against Putin are illegal and any person deemed to organise an opposition faces forever in prison or death.

The only true powerful opposition to Putin are the ogliarchs who own and control everything plus his allies in the neighbouring states such as Belarus or Chechnya. The problem with this is Putin takes care of those people and they have no reason to oppose him but when they do the end result is obvious, just look at Prigozhin.

We can look at what's happened in Ukraine but the world has turned a blind eye to Putin for decades. Where else can a guy change his own country's constitution to enable him to essentially stay in power forever? It's because he's an ex-KGB guy, imagine the dirt that he has on people and imagine the iron fist rule he has behind him to get those changes done.

Putin is essentially the mafia boss of the largest syndicate of mafia bosses in the world, and that mafia syndicate itself is basically a major nuclear armed country.
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I agree, but the west could make it more painful for Putin and powerful Russians especially . Expel them all back to their own country, ban travel to all western democracies. Impound all Russian assets until they leave Ukraine. Imo there would be a very good chance Putins friends would turn on him and he would be ousted.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Tucker Clarkson thinks it is because shopping trolleys that grip to an escalator is better than living in a democracy.
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The most tragic thing abot that is they have them everywhere but Tucker is so dumb,ignorant & poorly travelled despite all his money and access. I just got back from Morocco and they had the trolley escalators at most Carrefours.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I agree, but the west could make it more painful for Putin and powerful Russians especially . Expel them all back to their own country, ban travel to all western democracies. Impound all Russian assets until they leave Ukraine. Imo there would be a very good chance Putins friends would turn on him and he would be ousted.
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The west has already heavily sanctioned the ogliarchs. Either way the ogliarchs aren't doing business in the west anymore. The vast majority of ogliarchs are now enjoying themselves flowing money into the likes of Turkey, Dubai and the Middle East where things get complicated and western sanctions don't really reach.

There is also the BRICS relationship where countries are choosing to align with the economic axis of China and Russia. Certainly more African countries are going take full advantage of the investment that will bring them. The west generally has abandoned Africa and a second world order is forming around either alignment to China or the US.

We could sanction those countries but what effect will it really have? We're just going to push them even further towards aligning their economies to China and Russia. In the end we don't accept Putin but we have zero means to do anything about that whilst Russia has so much influence through China. Turkey is probably the most difficult country for us and with what's happening in Israel that relationship will become even more difficult.

Unfortunately the west can't do anything about Putin beyond war and regime change but that can't ever happen because it would probably mean the end of the world.
 
domalino said:
The most tragic thing abot that is they have them everywhere but Tucker is so dumb,ignorant & poorly travelled despite all his money and access. I just got back from Morocco and they had the trolley escalators at most Carrefours.
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Beautiful country Morocco. Had a culture shock when I went but gradually embraced it.

Back on topic:

I wonder how much Carlson is being paid to act like Judith Chalmers by Putin?
 
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