Alexis Sanchez

[citytilllidie]

That's getting downloaded and thrown here and there if they sign Sanchez

 

[fareastblue]

hope he signs for the rags today so that people can move on

 

[1Manchester]

So not bowing to the demands of a 29 year old chasing a big payday is "sitting"??

No it is worse, it is f**king bottling it in the sadly traditional "Typical City" fashion, a tradition I hoped we had long left behind but which sadly comes back from time to time. Besides we are not exactly about talking about any 29 year old player (which we could have got years earlier if we had the balls to bypass FFP), we are talking about a player that is one of the best in the league, the guy who single handly both knocked us out of the FA Cup and (almost) got the Arsenal into the Top 4 despite the endless self-inflcted f**k ups they have put upon themsevles last season (and many seasons beforhand).

If he can do that to a declining club like the Arsenal than imagine what he can do for a club like us, certainly we would have not lost to Liverpool had we had him in our team already.

By all accounts Sanchez had agreed terms last August but now because the rags are sniffing he wants an extra £3m a year

And yet we still failed to sign him out of all of that.

we are absolutely right to pull the plug rather than breaking our wage structure to accommodate him.

And how can you be so sure that we will not be breaking it anyway to keep the likes of KDB at our club? Because I have strong reasons to believe that we will indeed have to do it anyway, thus why does it matter if Sanchez is the one to do it rather than KDB?

The correct decision is to move on and look at other targets, I'd rather we signed the next KdB/Jesus/Sane than deal with time-wasters.

The problem is that there is not exactly a boatload of world class attacking players that are out there and more importantly the ones that are all will but likely to be in the £100-200 million range (which makes Sanchez look like a bargain in comparison, even with a £40 million transfer fee and 400,000 a week wages). So when you look at it either way, a lot of money will have to be spent anyway.

We are aiming for self-sustainability, you don't get there by just caving in when a player changes his agreed demands.

The only way you can make money out of football over the long term (which is certainly not what Arsenal is doing IMO) is by usurping the likes of United, Real and Barcelona (pretty much the only clubs who actually manage to achive this financial goal) and in turn the only way you can do that is either investing in youth and hope it is sucessfull (which we are doing anyway) or by investing in proven talent which can help you get to that stage. Which in turn means playing along (and winning) the financial f**ked up game that is the football transfer market.

 

[Bill Walker]

Chuckle the thick twat banging on about paying this for Kyle Walker but not for Sanchez, the fucking point is we needed a RB we dont NEED a forward, especially a forward who backs out of a deal with our club
At least the scouser semi gets it

 

[Bill Walker]

No disrespect mate, but I've barely had a word on here or been on here to talk about this at all, so sorry if you're worn down by some posters. That isn't my fault, but you don't seem to understand what my reasoning is, at least.

So, good news when clubs miss on a world class player, no matter what? You sure about that? I could go on, but there are some worrying signs that aren't just made up of nonsense.

Aguero fitting under Pep and his future with the club being one of those (which I am dubious about, so replacing him), and Jesus was not in the greatest form before he was injured either (meaning I have concerns about consistency given his age). Raz and Sane have been fantastic, but we don't have the record of success with them so we don't know fully yet about them (age partially being a factor), even though they are performing well.

I didn't explain, but I'm not worrying about the league, this season.

I'm talking about CL. This season. We have an excellent chance of given what is going on this season and our current draw and it is. Sure, we could become finalists every season, but that seems rather presumptuous.

I'm also thinking about putting ourselves in an even clearer pole position in the PL as other clubs look to improve over the next two windows.

The idea of just sitting whilst you are ahead is exactly how you lose the lead.

You, I would think are intelligent enough to understand that.

Why so against this? I don't get it other than for those, I see, who are more sensitive to players who don't treat us like the prettiest girl at the dance with us in the transfer market.

2 words
Rodney Fucking Marsh

ok 3 then..

Theyre welcome to him, we will have younger players to buy in place of Kun Aguero

 

[SWP's back]

Because that’s how an auction market works Gary, which is exactly what a transfer is.

 

[1Manchester]

So your main issue is that the team is missing a player whom could be the difference in winning the champions league or not, which is understandable.

For me it is even more important than that, we are talking about a player who also makes eaiser for not to f**k up our changes of winning the Premier League, FA Cup and/or the League Cup. Any fan who takes a pragmatic look at how we performed in recent games will see that you cannot rely on the same 3-4 group of attacking players for every single game with the sort of performance levels Pep demands out of each of them. Hence the loss to Liverpool (despite their still terrible defence) and our struggles to beat teams like Bristol City.

Losing a quality player who you've been looking at for a while to a direct rival is disappointing but those two instances are where the disappointments of not getting him ends.

If we are going to be knocking United off their perch, allowing them to improve their squad is going to undermine our attempts at suceeding in that, which in turn undermines the clubs attempts to put itself on a long term financial footing.

Solely looking at this season, the team has more than enough in the league and cup competitions without him

Last time I checked De Gea, Lloris, Sandro, Rose, Alderweld, D.Sanchez, Vertongen, Alaba, VVD, Trippier, Bellerin, Kante, Fabinho, Pogba, Alli, Winks, Coutinho, Lemar, Neymar, Hazard, O.Dembélé, Salah, Kane and Dybala are not playing for Manchester City. Now if they all where then I would be more than happy to agree with you on that statement (1), but the fact is that what we actually have is nowhere near enough for this club to be in a position to win the Quadruple on a regular basis, which the club needs to be aiming for the sake of its long term financial future.

(1): I know you are directly talking about the 3 domestic competitions, but the thing is that we are also competing in the Champions League as well, which makes it harder to compete in the 3 domestic competitions in question.

and although he would've definitely added to the chances of winning the champions league its not a disaster if the team fails to win that competition this season.

To be fair though, we need to be doing a lot better than we have been over the last ten years (with all the investment that has come though) in this competition. After all reaching the R16 only twice and progressing beyond it only once is simply not good enough for a club of our stature (1), let alone one that is aiming to be among the best. Hence why we need players like Sanchez to improve our record, let alone actually winning it.

(1) In comparison, Chelsea during the first 10 years of Roman Abramovich's time at Chelsea reach the R16 9 seasons out of 10 (and the one time they did not they ended up winning the Europa League), the Quarter Finals 8 times, the Semi Finals 7 times, the Final 2 times and of course actually winning it once.

Imo pep is building something special with this side with a base of young players who are not even near their peak.

I am very happy in what he has managed to do with the players he has currently got and yes many of them have a lot of good years ahead of them, the problem is that there is nowhere near enough of them to reach the sort of levels this club needs to achieve and unless we fully address the issue of strength in depth, this problem is going to continue to undermine us season after season (it has already undermined us to a great degree so far) while denying us trophies we need to be winning on a regular basis.

I'm certain there will be plenty of chances in the future to win the champions league

There is no point having all those chances if you don't have the strength in depth to actually capitalise on them, which is something you actually need to be able to win a European Double (let alone a Treble/Quadruple) in the first place as Real Madrid showed last season.

and there will be better alternatives lined up when the inevitable happens and aguero calls it a day.

Yes there are of course, problem is that they cost even more than Sanchez will this time round. Besides as I said before, even if we got those better alternatives, we would still need Sanchez under those circumstances.

It seems from your point of view you think this is the best chance for the team to win the champions league and adding sanchez helps that while I happen to belive the team has enough currently even if they fail this season there would be plenty of opportunities in the near future with some of the young talent in it.

If we are struggling to beat Liverpool when the going is getting tough (i.e. now) with the players we have, then we have no chance against the likes of Barcelona, Bayern Munich and PSG. Teams we would need to beat (or rather at least one of them) this season or even in future seasons (1). That is why we need to strengthen our squad with every opportunity we have, not allow our rivals to take the League Title from our hands or win the FA Cup instead of us.

(1) Especially when winning the league is going to be harder in future seasons than in this one.

 

[razman]

come on chelsea !

 

[Akira]

Fk me, this isn't over yet? Even Chelsea's getting in on this.

 

[Akira]

I'm actually not blaming us as much as I am reading here.

Some of this is just circumstance, like what happened with Arsenal not getting a replacement on the last day of the summer.

However, we may have gotten overconfident, and losing Sanchez who has wanted to come here for sometime is understandably disappointing and could come back to bite us.

I am not saying pay the money, although it's odd we didn't see this coming with the agent fee (allegedly) so something seems wrong about this claim anyway, but I really don't know what's going on.

We'll be okay, I am sure, but I think if he came we would have clearly been the team to beat in Europe, where as now it's a bit more of a tossup between us and a few other clubs, and one of our rivals will improve as well.

Why should we be happy about that?

If Pep determines that whatever position Sanchez would have been playing was a position we require strengthening, no doubt I believe we will continue to look at other options. We aren't slogs when it comes to transfers.

Personally, not too worried about this, imo Sanchez isn't THAT great of a player to warrant the wages he's demanding. Maybe I'm feeling this way cuz United is still being managed by a bus driver.