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Neville Kneville
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Dodged a bullet?
Okay, sure. A world class bullet? The cost reasons we are passing I get, but in terms of the player we are missing out on and has a good chance to significantly strengthen our rivals, I'm sorry but we are grasping at straws to find reasons he will flop, if you ask me.
I know some of our fans have been dead set against him coming for the entire time, some jumping on due to how this has all played out since the summer, and claim to not rate him, think he's "petulant" or "whiney" or somehow will be "disruptive" but Pep has wanted him for a while now.
Lest we forget we have agreed to terms with him twice now and had the deal fall flat on our face again. Some of this is just due to circumstance, Wenger's stubbornness and obsession with sticking it to us being part of it, but we wanted him but the market and some other variables have led this to possibly fall through.
City spin doctors are in full effect trying to rationalise this, but are you really that confident Aguero is the answer at striker under Pep?
I'm not saying this is a disaster, but it is not good news, and our fans are kidding ourselves to try and make it sound otherwise.
Neville Kneville
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We are 12 points clear at the top of the fucking league, in January.
I'm fucking sick of this shite.
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Chelsea won the Premier League last season with the 2nd highest points total of any title winning side (in the league's history), yet they still blew it in the FA Cup during that same season against a declining Arsenal team and will all but certainly fail to retain the title this season. Simply because the failed to upgrade their squad to the degree they needed to for this season (or for that matter last season).
In other words just because we are winning in the title race (or for that matter having won the title the season before) does not mean that the squad is good enough as it is, not unless you have 2-3 World Class players in each position.
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Plenty of targets we aim for end up elsewhere and its no different for any club even the likes of Real , Barca etc.
There will be others but lets hope our next signing adds to the growing list of talent and mental fortitude you need to compete with the best and the world hears about it first time when he is pictured with pen in hand etc.
This is just playing out in the media because they want it to be another pathetic story about us and them.
They should listen to the song but just like trolls they will shuffle away from this onto the next one like bees to a honey pot and do it all over again.
No wonder the chairman of the board called them pimps , prostitutes and whores but really he is doing an injustice to the latter two.
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If it does turn out to be the case that Sanchez is heading to United, then I would be more angry towards the club than I have been in years. Simply because despite all the oppertunities that have been handed on the clubs laps over the last year or so, we have f**king bottled it over signing Sanchez and in turn it is another example of "Typical City" when it comes to transfers (1).
I mean we have a player that wants to win trophies, wants to earn a (by footballing standards) a good wage, wants to join an ambitious club, wants to play under Pep and had enough of keeping the Gunner's heads above water. Likewise (alongside the fact we had more than enough money to pay the trasnfer fee and the wages/agent fees he is demanding) we have had two whole transfer windows to both actually push this transfer through and to push Sanchez into forcing himself out of the club...
And yet we still have failed to sign him and worse still he ends up signing with United, despite the fact we are as thin as ice when it comes to attacking talent (2), so much so that one more injury to one of those players (this season) could actually cost us a Premier League, a FA Cup, a League Cup or even a Champions League (heck maybe 2, 3 or even all of them) this season or even in future seasons. That is why we needed to sign him in the Summer, that is why we need to sign him now and that is why we should still try and sign him at United at the end of this season (3), no matter how much it cost to the bank balances of the club. Because the fact of the matter is that winning quadruples and usurping Real, Barcelona and United (4) cannot be done on the cheap no matter how painful this fact may be.
That is why I am so angry about how this saga has turned out and that is why as a club we need to learn big lessons if we are to covert our fine form across half a season into domestic dominance (5) across several years (alongside providing a proper challenge to the likes of Real and Barcelona over the Champions League) when it comes to transfers, lessons such as:
1: The willingness to meet player wage demands, agent demands and transfer fee demands no matter how stupid they might seem to us. As long as the player is proven to be quality/world class though, so no more spending £30-40 million on players like Mangala (6) whatsoever. Simply because the club needs them to suceed in its long term goals.
2: The willingness to take seriously the concept of having strength in depth (7), especially when you are comeptiting in both the Premier League and the Champions League (where you have teams from 1-2 team Domestic Leagues able to put more resources in this league than we and the other English clubs currently can)
3: The willingness to be more ruthless when it comes to signing players from other clubs, epscially those who are refusing to sell or are more than willing to demand a hard bargain in the process, most of all when it comes to starting as early as possible when it comes to tapping up players ans when it comes to putting pressure (publically and privately) on those clubs in question.
If we learn these 3 lessons, then the dreams of winning the quadruple (not just this season, but in future seasons as well), domininating our league, doing well in Europe, usurping the established European Clubs (including United of course, but many others as well including Real and Barcelona) and establishing a long-term, profitable and sustainable direction for this club would all become a reality. We have got the management and youth team infrastructure already, we just need the right transfer policy as well.
(1) We should be lucky that United have equally (or even more so) f**ked up in this area under Fergie (Post Ronaldo sale), Moyes and Van Gaal, less so under Mourinho though (with only Lindelof as his only dud sigining). Especially since we have made far too many dud signings oursevles in the past few years and have blown too many missed oppertunities when it came to signing players that have turned out to be world class (Dybala and Pogba especially).
(2) Not surprising when our squad is far, far too thin (in all areas) to be competiting in all 4 fronts, in fact the main reason why we lost to Liverpool above all else (a team which we have no excuses to lose against, not in this day and age anyway). Hence why even Sanchez alone is not going to be enough to address this issue.
(3) Especially when the squad and tatical issues United currently has at the moment, issues which will not be completely solved unless they spend a hell of a lot more than they currently are as well as have Mourinho change his tatics's to ones that less resemble the sort of ones Tony Pulis likes to do.
(4) Which is the only way any club (that is not one of those 3) can make money on a long term and sustainable basis (which in turn is the only way the owners can make money out of all this). Unless you happen to be Bayern Munich, which has the advantages of both a monopoly on the domestic game and the backing of the greats of German business to be able to do this. Advantages we do not have at the moment.
(5) As much as Bayern Munich has done in the Bundesliga and PSG has done in the French Leagues.
(6): To be fair, we are not the only club in Manchester to have spent that much on a defensive flopp (at least at first) as the signing of Lindelof by United has shown.
(7) In other words the need to have 2-3 World Class XI's in our squad.
I mean we have a player that wants to win trophies, wants to earn a (by footballing standards) a good wage, wants to join an ambitious club, wants to play under Pep and had enough of keeping the Gunner's heads above water. Likewise (alongside the fact we had more than enough money to pay the trasnfer fee and the wages/agent fees he is demanding) we have had two whole transfer windows to both actually push this transfer through and to push Sanchez into forcing himself out of the club...
And yet we still have failed to sign him and worse still he ends up signing with United, despite the fact we are as thin as ice when it comes to attacking talent (2), so much so that one more injury to one of those players (this season) could actually cost us a Premier League, a FA Cup, a League Cup or even a Champions League (heck maybe 2, 3 or even all of them) this season or even in future seasons. That is why we needed to sign him in the Summer, that is why we need to sign him now and that is why we should still try and sign him at United at the end of this season (3), no matter how much it cost to the bank balances of the club. Because the fact of the matter is that winning quadruples and usurping Real, Barcelona and United (4) cannot be done on the cheap no matter how painful this fact may be.
That is why I am so angry about how this saga has turned out and that is why as a club we need to learn big lessons if we are to covert our fine form across half a season into domestic dominance (5) across several years (alongside providing a proper challenge to the likes of Real and Barcelona over the Champions League) when it comes to transfers, lessons such as:
1: The willingness to meet player wage demands, agent demands and transfer fee demands no matter how stupid they might seem to us. As long as the player is proven to be quality/world class though, so no more spending £30-40 million on players like Mangala (6) whatsoever. Simply because the club needs them to suceed in its long term goals.
2: The willingness to take seriously the concept of having strength in depth (7), especially when you are comeptiting in both the Premier League and the Champions League (where you have teams from 1-2 team Domestic Leagues able to put more resources in this league than we and the other English clubs currently can)
3: The willingness to be more ruthless when it comes to signing players from other clubs, epscially those who are refusing to sell or are more than willing to demand a hard bargain in the process, most of all when it comes to starting as early as possible when it comes to tapping up players ans when it comes to putting pressure (publically and privately) on those clubs in question.
If we learn these 3 lessons, then the dreams of winning the quadruple (not just this season, but in future seasons as well), domininating our league, doing well in Europe, usurping the established European Clubs (including United of course, but many others as well including Real and Barcelona) and establishing a long-term, profitable and sustainable direction for this club would all become a reality. We have got the management and youth team infrastructure already, we just need the right transfer policy as well.
(1) We should be lucky that United have equally (or even more so) f**ked up in this area under Fergie (Post Ronaldo sale), Moyes and Van Gaal, less so under Mourinho though (with only Lindelof as his only dud sigining). Especially since we have made far too many dud signings oursevles in the past few years and have blown too many missed oppertunities when it came to signing players that have turned out to be world class (Dybala and Pogba especially).
(2) Not surprising when our squad is far, far too thin (in all areas) to be competiting in all 4 fronts, in fact the main reason why we lost to Liverpool above all else (a team which we have no excuses to lose against, not in this day and age anyway). Hence why even Sanchez alone is not going to be enough to address this issue.
(3) Especially when the squad and tatical issues United currently has at the moment, issues which will not be completely solved unless they spend a hell of a lot more than they currently are as well as have Mourinho change his tatics's to ones that less resemble the sort of ones Tony Pulis likes to do.
(4) Which is the only way any club (that is not one of those 3) can make money on a long term and sustainable basis (which in turn is the only way the owners can make money out of all this). Unless you happen to be Bayern Munich, which has the advantages of both a monopoly on the domestic game and the backing of the greats of German business to be able to do this. Advantages we do not have at the moment.
(5) As much as Bayern Munich has done in the Bundesliga and PSG has done in the French Leagues.
(6): To be fair, we are not the only club in Manchester to have spent that much on a defensive flopp (at least at first) as the signing of Lindelof by United has shown.
(7) In other words the need to have 2-3 World Class XI's in our squad.
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Anyway I hope Pep and the Owners of the club are watching how this whole "Sanchez going to United" saga is playing out over here and actually have a change of heart over this, after all £40 million is small change in the great scheme of things when it helps win trophies and in turn helps us usurp United and the other established clubs.
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The rest of the league must be fucking dire, I can't see how else we got to a 20-2-1 record with all the stiffs and has-beens we have in our squad.
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