Haha great film. I hope our chances are higher than 1/1,000,000 though.
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Haha great film. I hope our chances are higher than 1/1,000,000 though.
mosssideblue
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Guessing. Tabloid headlines.
City ready to blow £20mill on Jonny Evans. 3rd bid due?
City offer £45miil for Sanchez?
Stop f***ing about. Give Kroenke £60mill for Sanchez and have done.
Regardless if Jonny comes or not, Sanchez will be and is the difference between fighting for the title or winning it.
For an extra £15mill City would triple that and more buy winning the title, going into pot 1 of the CL, and all the extra revenue achieved by being Champions.
I'm so glad you are no where near our negotiations
I suppose my logic comes from the fact that with Sanchez last season we only managed to finish 5th. If Lacazette proves to be a good replacement were Sanchez to leave, why would we finish higher? I take the point that other teams for various reasons might be weaker and as you say there will still be some transfer activity to change the picture but from where I'm sitting losing Sanchez is likely to mean no top four.
It's sound logic mate, it certainly makes things more difficult. There are other factors that come into play of course, change in formation / tactics, injuries, players settling, lack of Wenger contract situation etc. Don't forget we have Kolosniac as well who i think will be a good signing. I think we are a better team currently than the 1 that started last season given the above reasons, but agree with Sanchez gone it looks light.
I'm so glad you are no where near our negotiations
It's fair to say so am I.
If I was forced to negotiate a fee for Jonny Evans and £18mill had been turned down by West Brom, I'd have resigned before that happened.
£18mill for Evans, with another bid pending. Let's call it £20mill. F***off!
No doubt you would have slapped £25mill on the table straightaway.
As for Sanchez. If you don't think he's worth £60mill over 3 to 5 years, the normal length of a new contract is now 5 years, I'm glad you aren't part of the negotiations either.
5 years. 12mill a year. Sends Wenger and his team into chaos. Strengthens our team. And scares the living day lights out of our title rivals. All for the sake of £10mill extra and a quick deal, above the currently quoted £50mill price tag. And with only 2 weeks of the transfer windowl left.
Smell the black Coffee, fella. In-fact, drink some of it. It's going to be a long 2 weeks.
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That's probably your title oddsYeah, should be 20/1
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It's fair to say so am I.
If I was forced to negotiate a fee for Jonny Evans and £18mill had been turned down by West Brom, I'd have resigned before that happened.
£18mill for Evans, with another bid pending. Let's call it £20mill. F***off!
No doubt you would have slapped £25mill on the table straightaway.
As for Sanchez. If you don't think he's worth £60mill over 3 to 5 years, the normal length of a new contract is now 5 years, I'm glad you aren't part of the negotiations either.
5 years. 12mill a year. Sends Wenger and his team into chaos. Strengthens our team. And scares the living day lights out of our title rivals. All for the sake of £10mill extra and a quick deal, above the currently quoted £50mill price tag. And with only 2 weeks of the transfer windowl left.
Smell the black Coffee, fella. In-fact, drink some of it. It's going to be a long 2 weeks.
Can yopu give us a quick assessment of the stengths and weaknesses of Evans's game, and why you don't see him fitting in with our system?
mosssideblue
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It's fair to say so am I.
If I was forced to negotiate a fee for Jonny Evans and £18mill had been turned down by West Brom, I'd have resigned before that happened.
£18mill for Evans, with another bid pending. Let's call it £20mill. F***off!
No doubt you would have slapped £25mill on the table straightaway.
As for Sanchez. If you don't think he's worth £60mill over 3 to 5 years, the normal length of a new contract is now 5 years, I'm glad you aren't part of the negotiations either.
5 years. 12mill a year. Sends Wenger and his team into chaos. Strengthens our team. And scares the living day lights out of our title rivals. All for the sake of £10mill extra and a quick deal, above the currently quoted £50mill price tag. And with only 2 weeks of the transfer windowl left.
Smell the black Coffee, fella. In-fact, drink some of it. It's going to be a long 2 weeks.
As I thought, you are clueless in how to conduct negotiations. Nobody is saying he is or isn't worth that, but to go in as you suggest is simply stupid tactics
nmc
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It's fair to say so am I.
If I was forced to negotiate a fee for Jonny Evans and £18mill had been turned down by West Brom, I'd have resigned before that happened.
£18mill for Evans, with another bid pending. Let's call it £20mill. F***off!
No doubt you would have slapped £25mill on the table straightaway.
As for Sanchez. If you don't think he's worth £60mill over 3 to 5 years, the normal length of a new contract is now 5 years, I'm glad you aren't part of the negotiations either.
5 years. 12mill a year. Sends Wenger and his team into chaos. Strengthens our team. And scares the living day lights out of our title rivals. All for the sake of £10mill extra and a quick deal, above the currently quoted £50mill price tag. And with only 2 weeks of the transfer windowl left.
Smell the black Coffee, fella. In-fact, drink some of it. It's going to be a long 2 weeks.
That's not how negotiations work I'm afraid. You slap an opening bid of £60m in - it'll get rejected. You have to play the game and allow the other party to force you up - psychologically this is critical. As in the Life of Brian - 'you've got to haggle'. You can't short cut the process - you have to play by the rules and be patient. Good job Txiki knows what he's doing.
SilverFox2
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What happened to SilverFox1?
Tried Silver Fox first but user name taken, eventually got SF2 and have lived with that for all the forums I subscribe to.
June 13, 2007: ‘It is more down to imagination than anything else, Thierry Henry will be here next year. Can I guarantee that? Yes, of course.’
June 25, 2007: Joins Barcelona for £16.1m
June 3, 2009: ‘If he does not want to stay, he will leave but I think that he will be still at Arsenal this season.’
July 18, 2009: Joins Manchester City for £25m
July 11, 2011: ‘Will [Nasri] be at the club next season? I say yes. There is always speculation when a player has only one contract year to go and has not signed a new contract that he might leave the club. But Samir Nasri is very happy at the club and is committed to staying at the club.’
July 13, 2011: ‘We will do everything to keep Nasri at the club. My wish is that he stays here.’
August 24, 2011: Joins Manchester City for £24m.
July 11, 2011: ‘Cesc loves the club and hopefully we will manage. We know that this story for Barcelona has gone on for years now, we have to close that and focus on the season, hopefully with Cesc Fabregas.’
July 13, 2011: ‘I will be pretty clear about this. For me, Fabregas is with Arsenal for a long time and he will stay with Arsenal. It sometimes happens that the rumour can make the transfer.’
August 15, 2011: Joins Barcelona for £35m.
March 8, 2012: ‘Our plan is to keep Robin van Persie, even if we buy a player. Robin is the leader of our club. He is under contract until 2013.’
August 17, 2012: Joins Manchester United for £22m.
February 22, 2013: ‘Our desire is to keep Bacary Sagna and he knows that. We will sit down with him and we did already sit down with his agent, and we didn’t get that [negative] vibe out. He is not free in the summer so he can only leave if we let him go.’
June 13, 2014: Joins Manchester City on a free transfer.
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Neville Kneville
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I'm calm, because i'm aware he is in a bit of a no win situation, (partly due to his / the clubs own doing i appreciate). He's damned if he sells Sanchez to you, & damned if he doesn't. His obvious ideal situation is Sanchez stays, & signs a new deal. He obviously has been told that this is looking increasingly unlikely. So his next choice, from a sporting perspective is to keep a hold of him & get the best out of him anyway. But deep down, we all know, despite the objections, there will likely be some point a fee might be too good to turn down.
You will see a fume from most Arsenal fans, i just tend to try not to be so emotional. No player is bigger than the club, we'll go on without Alexis, be it this year or next year. Will we be as good without him, probably not, but only time will tell. Bigger clubs than Arsenal lose players they don't want to sell, we wont be the first & we won't be the last.
There is another side to this, something lurking away in the background, something that puts a different perspective on things. We are in the middle of a power struggle at Arsenal. Usmanov has the money, & the drive & ambition but with no way of getting in as it stands currently. If Arsenal lose Sanchez, if Arsenal continue to not compete or miss out on top 4, then will Kronke have the desire to stay around with the stick he would likely see, & more importantly perhaps see his asset start dwindling in value? There might be something in the premise that we might to have to suffer some short term pain for the long term gain.
I think he is as big a part of the problem as any of your hidden demons in the closet. He is one of that gang, as responsible as anyone. That's why he is still in a job. He represents the board.
Can you imagine Guardiola or Mourinho in May, at a club with perfectly adequate finances, with a player who doesn't really want to be at the club, hanging on to him, whilst not knowing if he'll be there in September, just so the board can grind a last penny out of the situation & generally lying through his teeth to the fans & media, to drag it on, in order to help the board try to get the fee up or force a transfer request ? Would Ferguson do that ?
Wenger is such a novice that Sanchez' situation took him by surprise & he couldn't plan for this window ? He didn't realise last season, that other clubs would try to influence him to move on this season ?
If Wenger was a genuine bloke, he would have made his own contract situation dependant on this decision, that he, not the board, decides & they would tell everybody that.
As I thought, you are clueless in how to conduct negotiations. Nobody is saying he is or isn't worth that, but to go in as you suggest is simply stupid tactics
Did I say 'going straight in at £60mill'? No I didn't.
Not for one second do I think City have or would go straight in with that figure.
You're right, City would be mad to do that.
I assume wrongly or rightly City may have already tabled a starting bid on the QT?
City have to start th ball rolling at some point.
What Im' saying is that if City need to go to £60mill to get Arsenal to blink and to give in, then the extra £10mill-£15mill is worth it.
If Arsenal still stand firm at £60mill, take it or leave it, final offer, fair enough.
Or do you want us to do an Arsenal and offer £1 over £50mill.
Blow Arsenal's resistance out of the water, and blow the other teams away in the PL. Done!
That £60mill and more will come back when we win the PL, and go on a good run in the CL, maybe even winning it.
One more point. CL money is paid in Euros. Look at the Euro/pound exchange rate now and what it could be at the end of the tournament. The pound against the Euro isn't going to rally anytime soon.
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Can yopu give us a quick assessment of the stengths and weaknesses of Evans's game, and why you don't see him fitting in with our system?
Maybe you could give me an assessment, Dave? You seem to know everything.
My assessment of Jonny against one of, just of the top of my head, Ronaldo, Messi, Kane, Lewandowski, Lukaku, Mbappe, Lacazette, etc, is freightening.
Possible. Jonny alongside Ottamendi at the heart of our defence. My assessment of that is......
I think he is as big a part of the problem as any of your hidden demons in the closet. He is one of that gang, as responsible as anyone. That's why he is still in a job. He represents the board.
Can you imagine Guardiola or Mourinho in May, at a club with perfectly adequate finances, with a player who doesn't really want to be at the club, hanging on to him, whilst not knowing if he'll be there in September, just so the board can grind a last penny out of the situation & generally lying through his teeth to the fans & media, to drag it on, in order to help the board try to get the fee up or force a transfer request ? Would Ferguson do that ?
Wenger is such a novice that Sanchez' situation took him by surprise & he couldn't plan for this window ? He didn't realise last season, that other clubs would try to influence him to move on this season ?
If Wenger was a genuine bloke, he would have made his own contract situation dependant on this decision, that he, not the board, decides & they would tell everybody that.
Come back to me in a couple of weeks mate, once this scenario plays out. If he's sold with no replacement and we will do up in profit this window, I'll likely agree with you.
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Sorry, I did worry we were going too far off topic. Noted.
aguerooooo
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The problem is All parties are aware that we dont have a plan b Mbappe is out of our budget ,and we are third in a three team race for him, add to that there is a not a a great choice of good quality goal scorers available
We need cover for Kompany right? So who do you suggest that doesn't at the same time threaten John Stones position.Maybe you could give me an assessment, Dave? You seem to know everything.
My assessment of Jonny against one of, just of the top of my head, Ronaldo, Messi, Kane, Lewandowski, Lukaku, Mbappe, Lacazette, etc, is freightening.
Possible. Jonny alongside Ottamendi at the heart of our defence. My assessment of that is......
I think you are maybe just trying to assess how good the defender is and comparing him with Kompany, VVD, Bonucci etc when what we need is an experienced defender who can cover if needed. We already have the first choice defenders in place in Kompany and Stones, but if we play 3 at the back, or have injuries, we'll need another defender to come in.
Demichelis did this job for City under Pellegrini but he was a bit old. Evans has played his career in the Premier league and has almost 250 games now and is the captain of WBA. He's a decent player. Surely once you set aside your dislike for Man Utd you can see that?
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Maybe you could give me an assessment, Dave? You seem to know everything.
My assessment of Jonny against one of, just of the top of my head, Ronaldo, Messi, Kane, Lewandowski, Lukaku, Mbappe, Lacazette, etc, is freightening.
Possible. Jonny alongside Ottamendi at the heart of our defence. My assessment of that is......
Thanks. QED.
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