All rather amazing re Mancini's 'caution'

[Mastes1]

IF we finish 6th there will be a large % of City fans wanting Mancini's head so it's a good job that won't happen.

And so they should be imo, you finished 5th last year and have spent another £150mil or whatever it is and now people think finishing 6th would be acceptable?, i don't get that reasoning.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

IF we finish 6th there will be a large % of City fans wanting Mancini's head so it's a good job that won't happen.

And so they should be imo, you finished 5th last year and have spent another £150mil or whatever it is and now people think finishing 6th would be acceptable?, i don't get that reasoning.

I don't either. If we finish sixth with a pot or two and a greater number of points than last season, OK, but however this season is judged it must be a clear improvement.

 

[Big G]

Just need a bit of individual and group sharpness, a bit of familiarity and while it won't be the headless chicken attack at all costs that some like I think we'll be one of the highest scorers this season.

Yaya needs to break his duck, you can see he wants it, once he does he will notch every 2 or 3 games, and Villa needs a season to get tough,
We are thereabouts, only thing thats missing is minutes on the pitch.

 

[Lord Blue]

I'd accept 6th yes. I wouldn't be happy with it, but I also don't think that a bad season means sacking a manager who has good potential. Football keeps getting condensed into tinier and tinier views. Changes to any organisation, especially a performance driven sporting one like a football team takes time which everybody seems to recognise and nobody seems to put a figure on.

There's a very, very top class of manager who seems to work wonders immediately. Capello and Mourinho jump to mind, they're short term people - the longer they stay at a club, the worst the results become (though always to a high minimum standard). After this, there are a class of manager that takes a year or two to really build things. We can include Ferguson, Wenger and perhaps our very own Mancini in this. Each of them struggle at the start but eventually conquer the club with their style of football which goes on to great rewards. Mancini's Inter won 3 Seria A's, year after year, whilst getting further and further in the Champions League. It's absolutely no surprise to me that the core of his team went on to win it last year. These are the long terms guys who get you success.

People seem to want the former type of manager - the instant successes. This means that a coach will come into the club, buy a shitload of names, win us the CL then bugger off. This leaves us in a problem - we build a reputation in the game for Madrid type of club with chopping and changing ruthlessly. This is why Wenger will never go to Madrid in a billion years. He is building something with a particular plan at Arsenal, there is no reason to throw that away for a momentary piece of glory with Madrid. Instead, he will stick the course. He'll have good seasons and bad seasons but he knows that his plan is working and Arsenal are becoming more and more of a threat. They would have achieved the holy grail of winning the league using lots of youth players in a system that produces lots of players over time. Wenger will build Arsenal for years to come, just as Cruyff built Barca for years to come.

I don't want the first type of manager as I want a dynasty. Basically, I prefer a marriage with Keira Knightly rather than a one night stand with Jordan.

Due to this, you need to be absolutely sure that you have the right person. Mancini's former record tells me that we have a young manager, who has never finished outside of Europe and has won trophies wherever he has been. Secondly, Mancini plays a very distinct and successful type of football; it's very tactical, at times it is beautiful, and it mixes great passing with great pressing. Thirdly, the man is friends with both the Sheikh and Khaldoon and was one of their football advisors during the takeover so we can expect a good working atmosphere from the club between different levels of management. Fourthly, I think that he's well educated tactically following the great schools of football and his lectures or interviews on the game are always interesting. Fifthly, he's managed very difficult players before in Ibra and Balo successfully, while handling the pressure of Inter (which most people will tell you used to be a death knell). Sixthly, as his tenure here shows, he's more than willing to give youth a chance when needed which will help us in the future. Just as with Balo, he knows how to bring players through.

So, I'm convinced that we have a good manager due to this, and the improvements in organisation and tactics that I have seen since he came here. As he ages, he will also only get better. With this in my mind as proven, we also know that due to our position as a club willing to spend, he knows that if he wins us something he will be a legend in our eyes. He will be happy here and we will worship him.

He has a very rare opportunity as do we. We have (with the exception of Guardiola), the most decorated young manager in the game, who is friends with our board, who has a near unlimited budget. He knows that Khaldoon and the Sheikh will give him the opportunity to build himself a dynasty and become one of the great names in football as a manager just as he was as a player. People are very rarely given this chance, so he will know how valuable it is.

The deal suits all sides. We have an opportunity to build something together, both City and Mancini, to raise themselves to the top table of the game (though Mancini was already there) and long term, sustained plan of how to run our club.

I'm not willing to throw all that away because of a single bad season.

so, to paraphrase, what you're saying is "Mancini out"??

 

[Shadz69]

I cant imagine Mancini or the team would be happy with 6th unless a cup came with it.He has his system and it can be flexible. I expect us to dominate more games than us being dominated,we play some very good possesion football at times.
He is more defensive than I expected but long term I think he could be a manager to win us a lot, he was quite attacking at Inter and I look forward to them days coming sooner rather than later.

 

[Blue Mooner]

Let's face it we have to stick with Mancini, he has proven himself at the highest level and. Irrespective of how the season pans out we have the manager to build our dynasty.

If we go down the route of sacking another manager then who do we get we would single handedly be draining the game of talented managers. Inter had to resort to appointing Rafa Benitez and who in their right mind would want him?

No, we have a good manager and things are moving very firmly in the right direction.

This discussion is way to early and imo shouldn't even be up for discussion. Let's concentrate on supporting the team to the success we all want.

 

[fast eddie]

Let's face it we have to stick with Mancini, he has proven himself at the highest level and. Irrespective of how the season pans out we have the manager to build our dynasty.

Mancini doesn't win 3 consecutive Serie A titles and then come to City to finish 6th.

 

[Damocles]

Agreed eddie, but the overall point is that we have a top class manager, a top class board and a top class side. We are playing good football. If we somehow finish 6th, it isn't the end of the world. This club, and in particularly the blend of talent we have at it, is far more important than a single bad season.

Two seasons ago, Benitez challenged for the league and came close in Europe. He was hailed as finally getting his Liverpool side together and one or two alterations meant that he would be storming the title. Last season he had a god awful season and they sacked him. This is the guy who won the CL, got them to another CL final, and has always hovered around that 3rd-4th spot. He's their most successful manager since Paisley. But he finished 6th once so they sacked him.

Mancini isn't an 'instant success' manager. He doesn't seem to have done this anywhere he has been unlike Capello and Mourinho. He is a guy who needs time to stamp his authority on the club and the team. Due to this, to sack him before he has had chance to build it would be a blunder of Fergusonesque proportions. People were calling for his head too, just like they were with Wenger's, just like they will be with Woy (who is another builder).

There's no reason to change anything. We all know the state of the club, we all know that Mancini is a good manager, we all know that our players are good. We have the perfect recipe for success, there is no need to bugger this up because we have a few dodgy results and end up in sixth this season. We will get there, if we just shut our fucking mouths for once and allow these guys to work their magic.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Agreed eddie, but the overall point is that we have a top class manager, a top class board and a top class side. We are playing good football. If we somehow finish 6th, it isn't the end of the world. This club, and in particularly the blend of talent we have at it, is far more important than a single bad season.

Two seasons ago, Benitez challenged for the league and came close in Europe. He was hailed as finally getting his Liverpool side together and one or two alterations meant that he would be storming the title. Last season he had a god awful season and they sacked him. This is the guy who won the CL, got them to another CL final, and has always hovered around that 3rd-4th spot. He's their most successful manager since Paisley. But he finished 6th once so they sacked him.

Mancini isn't an 'instant success' manager. He doesn't seem to have done this anywhere he has been unlike Capello and Mourinho. He is a guy who needs time to stamp his authority on the club and the team. Due to this, to sack him before he has had chance to build it would be a blunder of Fergusonesque proportions. People were calling for his head too, just like they were with Wenger's, just like they will be with Woy (who is another builder).

There's no reason to change anything. We all know the state of the club, we all know that Mancini is a good manager, we all know that our players are good. We have the perfect recipe for success, there is no need to bugger this up because we have a few dodgy results and end up in sixth this season. We will get there, if we just shut our fucking mouths for once and allow these guys to work their magic.

love it.

 

[cubanheels]

Just watch the Mancini post match interview and you will see in his eyes and general deamener he will never accept second best.He was absolutly on the floor, gutted.There is no doubt in my mind he will drag this team to the pinnacle of English football,although it may take a little time.
Keep the faith.