FantasyIreland
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 29 Oct 2008
- Messages
- 64,698
Angelino needs experience and to fully develop physically,other than that,i see no reason he cant offer at least as much as kolarov,i actually think technically he is better.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
Angelino
- Thread starter CELTICRORY
- Start date
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
Goater=Legend
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 4 Apr 2006
- Messages
- 7,361
Can't see him playing personally. We'll either play Clichy throughout the time Kolarov is out or play Zabaleta/Sagna there.
I actually think Angelino's very much a Pep kind of defender. Pep's players aren't always necessarily natural defenders, but usually compensate that by being ruthlessly organised and full of energy while pressing as a team. He also seems to operate on the principle that they will have the ball for 80% of the game so he'd rather players who could fit into this system. in that aspect Angelino shits all over Clichy and Kolarov already. He's a highly intelligent, accomplished footballer blessed with an excellent attacking ability. He also has bagfuls of energy and a willingness to improve and learn.
I think he'll always be suspect defensively, and the premier league is indeed a mugger's alley compared to most leagues, but I still think he'll get a chance. If we're at home to Sunderland for example, he'd be perfect in an attacking team. There surely isn't many better young full back prospects in the world with his skillset. I can genuinely see Pep liking him in an Alba-esque way. Barca would still beat the likes of Stoke, even if Jon Walters did win the odd back post header. I think rightly they'd go into the game presuming they could play their own game and that'd be enough. I suspect Pep will have faith in the team most of the time.
I think he'll always be suspect defensively, and the premier league is indeed a mugger's alley compared to most leagues, but I still think he'll get a chance. If we're at home to Sunderland for example, he'd be perfect in an attacking team. There surely isn't many better young full back prospects in the world with his skillset. I can genuinely see Pep liking him in an Alba-esque way. Barca would still beat the likes of Stoke, even if Jon Walters did win the odd back post header. I think rightly they'd go into the game presuming they could play their own game and that'd be enough. I suspect Pep will have faith in the team most of the time.
Neville Kneville
Well-Known Member
His defensive qualities are not his best but I have never seen him lacking effort and energy. watching Barca last night with Alba up and down the wing (mostly attacking) I was thinking Angelino could easily play in that team. Probably why Barca are romoured to be interested in him.
In an attacking sense he is excellent, very positive, great crosser of the ball and also scores some goals. Got a hat trick in one game last season ( not all as a full back as I recall) and scored again today away at Spurs for the EDS. The question is the way city play are we prepared to have a full back like this? Maybe not although nobody can tell me Kolarov is a top defensive full back.
It's a while since I saw Angelino play but I would say even Kolarov is a step up defensively from that. But Angelino is a worker & an excellent footballer, much more intelligent than Kolarov & much quicker to move the ball & is willing to kick it with more than one foot. The way that Pep likes to swap players around, I would say he's an absolutely perfect Pep type player, but then so are many of our kids. I would worry about him in the present team defensively but I'd be really excited about his ability on the ball, so it's all about balance in the team really.
If we do start to use him though, we need to pick a player elsewhere who will defend set pieces in his place. He would currently be a liability in that area.
SlimShadyRus
Well-Known Member
And it also highlights that we're famous for fucking up with our youngsters by selling them. Hopefully Angelino stays until Guardiola so Pep would be able to have a look at him and stuffIf true this highlights just how good he could be?
With Kolarov out he certainly deserves a chance to prove himself
squirtyflower
Well-Known Member
Which youngsters, in your opinion, have we fucked up with then?And it also highlights that we're famous for fucking up with our youngsters by selling them. Hopefully Angelino stays until Guardiola so Pep would be able to have a look at him and stuff
SlimShadyRus
Well-Known Member
Please note that I'm not saying that we had let go our youth player for free and he beame a new Messi after leaving us or smth, but as they say, young players would progress quicklier should they have better players around/vs them. I'm talking about Marcos Lopes (who has had some problems with gametime due to injuries), Denis Suarez, Karim Rekik (who was considered to be one of the best young CBs inthe 1st half of the season in Ligue 1), etc etc etc. They may not be top class players but they're still young, they have some outstanding qualities and they are clearly talented and have room to develop. if not have them in our team if they're not ready, then loan them out in a better league. Step by step. Not till they're 30 of course.Which youngsters, in your opinion, have we fucked up with then?
squirtyflower
Well-Known Member
IMO lopes was never going to be good enough.
Rekik started off well but stalled
Suarez wanted to go back home
So I think the hyperbole used in your first post was unwarranted
The players released either wanted to go or are not good enough. In time if one becomes good enough we may have to admit the club made a mistake, but in the mean time it would be incumbent of me to support the club and its management rather than some randoms who watch too much YouTube and feel inferior to rags who have kids coming out of their armpits playing for the first team
Rekik started off well but stalled
Suarez wanted to go back home
So I think the hyperbole used in your first post was unwarranted
The players released either wanted to go or are not good enough. In time if one becomes good enough we may have to admit the club made a mistake, but in the mean time it would be incumbent of me to support the club and its management rather than some randoms who watch too much YouTube and feel inferior to rags who have kids coming out of their armpits playing for the first team
SlimShadyRus
Well-Known Member
Besides the non-football things, he defo hasn't such amazing shots as Alexander has. And i'm not talking about the bar ones, I'm talking about those going under it.Angelino needs experience and to fully develop physically,other than that,i see no reason he cant offer at least as much as kolarov,i actually think technically he is better.
One day we may have a new pair of leftbacks with one of them being a deffensive-style defender and another one would be Angelino. But considering his deffensive abilities I'd not throw him in as a 2nd choice for the leftback position next season.
Centurions
Well-Known Member
And it also highlights that we're famous for fucking up with our youngsters by selling them. Hopefully Angelino stays until Guardiola so Pep would be able to have a look at him and stuff
What bollocks. And who are these mythical 'they' who say this? Do you think all players stop progressing after they leave us? How many ex- Barcelona players are there around the world? Have they all stalled and had failed careers?Please note that I'm not saying that we had let go our youth player for free and he beame a new Messi after leaving us or smth, but as they say, young players would progress quicklier should they have better players around/vs them. I'm talking about Marcos Lopes (who has had some problems with gametime due to injuries), Denis Suarez, Karim Rekik (who was considered to be one of the best young CBs inthe 1st half of the season in Ligue 1), etc etc etc. They may not be top class players but they're still young, they have some outstanding qualities and they are clearly talented and have room to develop. if not have them in our team if they're not ready, then loan them out in a better league. Step by step. Not till they're 30 of course.
You really need to stop watching YouTube clips over and over.
Please note that I'm not saying that we had let go our youth player for free and he beame a new Messi after leaving us or smth, but as they say, young players would progress quicklier should they have better players around/vs them. I'm talking about Marcos Lopes (who has had some problems with gametime due to injuries), Denis Suarez, Karim Rekik (who was considered to be one of the best young CBs inthe 1st half of the season in Ligue 1), etc etc etc. They may not be top class players but they're still young, they have some outstanding qualities and they are clearly talented and have room to develop. if not have them in our team if they're not ready, then loan them out in a better league. Step by step. Not till they're 30 of course.
Clearly you're just making things up because not only is he failing to hold down a place in the Marseilles team, he's been considered awful. The only reason he plays at all is because their other CB, Rolando, is equally shit.
As a french journalist for RMC said recently, "Rekik or Rolando? What is the most serious between the plague and cholera?"
The same goes for Lopes, who had small injury problems, but mostly just wasn't good enough to make it off the bench.
SlimShadyRus
Well-Known Member
Well, sad for Karim then. Saw him on goalcom Ligue 1 young team of the 1st half of the season. Anyway, I don't think they (Lopes&Rekik) said their last word.Clearly you're just making things up because not only is he failing to hold down a place in the Marseilles team, he's been considered awful. The only reason he plays at all is because their other CB, Rolando, is equally shit.
As a french journalist for RMC said recently, "Rekik or Rolando? What is the most serious between the plague and cholera?"
The same goes for Lopes, who had small injury problems, but mostly just wasn't good enough to make it off the bench.
Neville Kneville
Well-Known Member
Clearly you're just making things up because not only is he failing to hold down a place in the Marseilles team, he's been considered awful. The only reason he plays at all is because their other CB, Rolando, is equally shit.
As a french journalist for RMC said recently, "Rekik or Rolando? What is the most serious between the plague and cholera?"
The same goes for Lopes, who had small injury problems, but mostly just wasn't good enough to make it off the bench.
I outed Rekik as being dodgy several years ago.
Lopes is not the same at all, he is a great talent. That doesn't mean he'll make it, but he is a really great talent.
Don't like the idea that Barca are sniffing if thats genuine, can't imagine many spainish players passing on that opportunity. However I do think under Pep Angelino will really flourish, it's under appreciated how much better players become defensively under him as many focus entirely on the goals scored, and thats what most of us think he lacks right now. If Angelino develops defensively he'll be a seriously good left back.
sam-caddick
Well-Known Member
Don't like the idea that Barca are sniffing if thats genuine, can't imagine many spainish players passing on that opportunity. However I do think under Pep Angelino will really flourish, it's under appreciated how much better players become defensively under him as many focus entirely on the goals scored, and thats what most of us think he lacks right now. If Angelino develops defensively he'll be a seriously good left back.
I agree mate.
I think the only think stopping Angelino getting game time is his lack of experience defensively.
Going forward and attacking I think he could play in the team now.
Let's see what happens next season.
shroom
Well-Known Member
Lopes scored for LOSC in a cup game today -
just throwing this in somewhere on the youth side of the forum
just throwing this in somewhere on the youth side of the forum
I think everyone agrees that Angelino has still got to prove himself defensively so why cant he be played as a winger? We are desperate for him to be a LB because that's what the team really needs at the moment, but maybe we should be giving him a chance as a winger to see how he does with that. He's fast, he has a fantastic cross in his locker, and the boy can score. Maybe he would be wasted as a LB. Lets not try and squeeze a square peg in a round hole.
I think everyone agrees that Angelino has still got to prove himself defensively so why cant he be played as a winger? We are desperate for him to be a LB because that's what the team really needs at the moment, but maybe we should be giving him a chance as a winger to see how he does with that. He's fast, he has a fantastic cross in his locker, and the boy can score. Maybe he would be wasted as a LB. Lets not try and squeeze a square peg in a round hole.
He's always been a LB, apart from the occasional game, so I don't see how that's making him a square peg. He's simply a classic attacking fullback. You might as well ask the same question about Kolarov.
True and maybe he would be better as a LB but just because he's always been a lb so far that's no reason to keep him there. At 19, Bale had only ever been a LB if I'm not mistakenHe's always been a LB, apart from the occasional game, so I don't see how that's making him a square peg. He's simply a classic attacking fullback. You might as well ask the same question about Kolarov.
Neville Kneville
Well-Known Member
Angelino played several games for NYC as a left mid & was rated by the commentators as their most potent attacking threat, although imo he was looking rather tired by that point in the season & didn't track back with his customary vigour.True and maybe he would be better as a LB but just because he's always been a lb so far that's no reason to keep him there. At 19, Bale had only ever been a LB if I'm not mistaken
He is a good footballer & we should try him in different roles imo, if he one day gets a chance. It may be he struggles at fullback but makes an impact elsewhere.
- Status
- Not open for further replies.