Another new Brexit thread

[bluejon]

And the **** has the temerity to talk about bringing the nation together.

It's not often this happens, but I don't quite have the words to describe just how much a twat I think that man is. I'd love to debate him, and 30 seconds in I'd just spark him.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's not often this happens, but I don't quite have the words to describe just how much a twat I think that man is. I'd love to debate him, and 30 seconds in I'd just spark him.

We can’t have had a Prime Minister in our history who’s been so mistrusted whilst in office. Thatcher was reviled by many, but would never sensibly or fairly be characterised as a compulsive liar, or lacking any integrity.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I’m absolutely ashamed of our parliament, ashamed

So am I and it has absolutely nothing to do with me.

 

[bluejon]

We can’t have had a Prime Minister in our history who’s been so mistrusted whilst in office. Thatcher was reviled by many, but would never sensibly or fairly be characterised as a compulsive liar, or lacking any integrity.

His wikipedia page states we don't actually know how many children he's got. He's like something out of history vomited into the present, and there's people on here buzzing off him because he's apparently on 'their side'. That **** is on one person's side, and that's it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Tbf he did offer a GE for you all to dispose of him at the ballot box.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

His wikipedia page states we don't actually know how many children he's got. He's like something out of history vomited into the present, and there's people on here buzzing off him because he's apparently on 'their side'. That **** is on one person's side, and that's it.

If he delivers Brexit many folk won’t care, mate.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

In 2016 the leave vote won.

It was a grave mistake and remaining is so much better but the fact is that leave gained the majority.

With that in mind, bearing in mind no deal was never mentioned, we should by now have left with a deal.

Either Johnson’s or May’s Deal should have fucking passed by now.

The fact Parliament are now acting against it is a fucking disgrace and I really do not know where we go from here.

Our country is a fucking joke

Get yourselves a written constitution that can only be altered by a referendum of the people, if you are going to hold a referendum.
Holding one in a parliamentary democracy with a question as vague as leave or stay was always going to end this way. Doesn’t sound vague, but just look how different everyone’s interpretations of leaving are.
Did I say end? It’s never ending.
Throw into that mix that you are a union within a union you are exiting from, one of which’s constituent parts is legally bound in another international treaty involving another country, Us..... This is a shit storm that has been unleashed and I can’t see it ending nicely for anyone.

You have to leave.
The only way I can see it happening is with the break up of the UK. Either NI leaves or possibly Scotland too, that’s their choice.

The fact that so many would gladly sacrifice NI should show those in NI what we have always known.

Yes this is a mess. The mother of all democracies eh?

Really don’t know how this will end but looking at yourselves and America currently and the future of Western democracy is not pretty.

 

[bluejon]

If he delivers Brexit many folk won’t care, mate.

Yup. That's where we're at.

 

[hilts]

Are you sure you don’t want a confirmatory ref because you think you might not win?

I’ve already said I want us out by the time match of the day started so I tink I’ve already lost

 

[hilts]

Even if that was the case though, there's no problem in that. People that voted to remain still wanting to remain is fine, in fact I'd expect most of them too, much like I'd expect most who voted leave to still want to leave. Whether Brexit is enacted or not has nothing to do with them - it is entirely out of their control. All they are doing is no different to anyone protesting any government decision they didn't agree or vote with either.

Everyone's ire should be directed solely at parliament as they are the ones that have had accountability for delivering and have failed.

There is no problem in stating what you want, just don’t try and sell it as anything else.

 

[hilts]

Just seen our esteemed prime minister has actually done the whole not sign the letter and send a second letter being a massive fucking bellend thing. A spoilt child kicking off because he can't get his own way. England in the 21st century.

In brexit terms that is a new one:-)

 

[hilts]

Tbf he did offer a GE for you all to dispose of him at the ballot box.

Yeah but he would change the date, get rid of workers rights, sell out to the yanks, become Singapore on the Thames. I think it’s best to have a people’s vote and if we remain we can all be friends. If we vote leave then we should have a general election, if that means leave we should go to Rock Paper Scissors, if remain lose connect four, if remain lose again might be best for MPs to just vote revoke and we can revisit in 2087 if Labours six tests have been met.

 

[bluejon]

I’m brexit terms that is a new one:-)

Look at the **** hilts, he's not one of us (and i don't know who you are either, but i'm guessing you weren't born with a withenshaw sized silver spoon up yer arse. but eh, you never know)

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Well after yesterday the most duplicitous parliament in history has proved itself to be a national disgrace.
The whole lot of them should be sacked and tried for treason.
Disgraceful

 

[Coatigan]

People saying 3 years of Parliament blocking Brexit conveniently forget that includes 5 months of the Tory party replacing one PM, a moment of clarity, 4 months for a GE to give that replacement some meaningful majority, and another 5 months to replace That PM (pushed out by her own party). Plus, taking the time to actually trigher A50.

But of course, no responsibility can be attributed to the Tory Gov, no, it is all the opposition parties dragging this out.

They are, and have been. But the gov. have their share in there too. But no, that doesnt fit the leavers vs remainers script, so let's not mention it.

 

[Mon Autre]

Well after yesterday the most duplicitous parliament in history has proved itself to be a national disgrace.
The whole lot of them should be sacked and tried for treason.
Disgraceful

Are you ok hun?

 

[Rascal]

And when they voted for the referendum they delegated responsibility to the people. Yet they won’t accept it. Some of these labour mps aren’t representing their areas at all.

They passed sovereignty to the people for that day, Parliament took back sovereignty as soon as the polls closed. Direct democracy cannot be based on representative constituencies, that was obvious from the start of the whole process. A representative (MP) has freedom of conscience to act as seen fit, a referendum binds that conscience making the representative a delegate. It is inconsistent with our democratic process.

It's all arguments across the country I get it but if your a "leaver" it's as if your classed as thick, a traitor and an idiot.
And yes I am offended by some of the responses on here and find them very disappointing to be honest but I understand it's a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
It's the hostility that's too much.

Some of the brightest, most erudite posters on here voted leave, only brainless idiots would class leavers as thick. Offense comes from lack of understanding. Its politics, it has become brutal. Read Julius Caesar.

But can we in all conscience pass an act that puts up an internal border in our own Union and renders it apart? Surely that is something *checks notes* no British PM could ever entertain?

(Not now Nicola! Crying out loud...)

No, we cant. It was always going to be a huge stumbling block, where does it end if we accept a border there? Do we have borders between remain and leave areas. Johnson didn't help here with his likening of Ireland to London boroughs

A second referendum or a people’s vote(you know our politicians have no shame when they actually have the gall to say that publicly) would be a disaster. I’m all for a no deal and would leave before match of the day starts but I’m probably the only one on here who is, but a deal is the fairest outcome for those who believe in democracy. Some of the smacked arses may go along with it as well just to get it done.

Obviously Northern Ireland is the elephant in the room and we can’t expect them to act in an adult manner when no other fucker is. Just get this through and whatever happens we will have to deal with it. There is no happy ending to this.

I am on record as saying I thought no deal was the only way to leave. Any deal ties the country to the EU.

Sadly after today I wouldn’t put anything past these fuckers (MP’s)

MPs are doing there job, acting with their conscience in a situation where people are demanding they act as delegates. I don't blame MPs at all, because if they act as delegates it erodes the free thinking nature of our parliamentary democracy and hands more power to the executive. That is the road to despotism as MPs can no longer express freedom of conscience.

I think Johnson was hoping to get the bill rushed through without proper scrutiny, because the more people analyse it, the more they realise that it actually isn’t a very good deal at all. As mentioned before, I think common sense prevailed in Parliament today, thankfully. It’d be absolute madness to rush through a bill of this magnitude, regardless of how fed up the public are getting.

Rushing any bill through is anti-democratic imo, there are mechanisms that can be used to do it, but I hope we never see it on something so important.

Corbyn has not even read it neither have most of the opposing MPs

Nobody could have read that whole document unless they had superpowers of reading, it was like war and peace.

Parliament should have voted to leave by now, no ifs or buts.

If the Government had acted with propriety yes, but they have had to kow-tow to the likes of the ERG , as May found that is virtually impossible as they are zealots

Johnson not even signing the letter to Brussels seems particularly petty. I almost admire the shithousery. He’ll probably send it second class too, just to make his point.

It is embarrassing, this man is PM , he is making the country look fucking stupid

WTF do the wankers demonstrating against a referendum that was won by Brexit voters have to gain? Strikes me they are just a bunch of needy twats. 1 million of them? Who counted that, Merseyside Police?

I totally support their right to protest, it is a democratic right. I don't have to support their cause to see that.

I actually voted Lib Dem

Disgusting behaviour, I am appalled Comrade. Punish yourself accordingly

Why did the Government not want the deal scrutinized??

Because Johnson is sly, arrogant and a narcissist. He believed in himself rather than the process

The absolute fucking state of our politics.

Before the referendum I posted repeatedly that holding a referendum was possibly the most stupid thing we could do. It was held for the wrong reasons, it was poorly legislated for and it all comes down to the arrogance of Cameron and Osborne. They expected an easy win and the good people of this country gave them a kicking as punishment for the years of needless austerity.

Yesterday was just the end of the beginning of this whole process, it is destroying the fabric of the nation, pitting friends against friends, blues against blues and family members against family members. The singular most corrosive act since the Corn Laws.

 

[Rascal]

Well after yesterday the most duplicitous parliament in history has proved itself to be a national disgrace.
The whole lot of them should be sacked and tried for treason.
Disgraceful

All you are doing is showing a distinct lack of understanding of how our system works, I understand why you are angry, but it is not the MPs fault they have been handed this poisoned chalice.

 

[Rascal]

Get yourselves a written constitution that can only be altered by a referendum of the people

Problem nailed.

Chapeau

 

[Coatigan]

Some of the brightest, most erudite posters on here voted leave, only brainless idiots would class leavers as thick. Offense comes from lack of understanding. Its politics, it has become brutal. Read Julius .

I don't disagree with that. But they are often also the most selective, and often inconsistent with their own logic (always to suit the Leave narrative), which then makes certain arguements somewhat hypocritical.

I'm not denying that happening on the remain points either, but far less of it that i've seen.