Another new Brexit thread

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

No one is abolishing standards Vic.

You have invented the scenario.

Once again the could happen is presented as scary fact. Not sure why some feel we are incapable of maintaining decent food standards without the oversight of the bloc that brought us wine laced with antifreeze, foie gras, bull fighting and veal.

 

[west didsblue]

Once again the could happen is presented as scary fact. Not sure why some feel we are incapable of maintaining decent food standards without the oversight of the bloc that brought us wine laced with antifreeze, foie gras, bull fighting and veal.

As usual you have missed the point. The government seem intent on not legislating for equivalent or higher food standards but laughably are insisting that they support high food standards. If they do support them why won’t they introduce the appropriate legislation to replace the EU regulations?

 

[west didsblue]

No one is abolishing standards Vic.

You have invented the scenario.

We have left the EU and regulations will no longer apply after 31 December. We’re not introducing legislation to replace them so whilst we’re not abolishing anything, effectively that’s what is happening.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

We have left the EU and regulations will no longer apply after 31 December. We’re not introducing legislation to replace them so whilst we’re not abolishing anything, effectively that’s what is happening.

This assumes we need the regulation. Consumer choice will not end in Jan - we will still have the choice of bargain basement stuff of dubious provenance from Iceland, or the hand reared, grass fed, wanked off by the farmer stuff from waitrose and everything in-between.

 

[Vic]

No idea what you’re on about.

Another one of your attempts at adding humour maybe?

He's on about the EU allowing poultry imports from countries that may have lower standards (and more salmonella) while suggesting that EU inspections are not robust enough. The EU's deal with Mercosur countries does allow more imports so making sure they are not lower standard is an issue.

Our issue is a government saying it will not reduce standards to get a deal but refusing to legislate to that effect.

It's not an irrelevant distraction but it's still a distraction and it looks like the Brexit supporters will avoid the substantive issue.

 

[west didsblue]

This assumes we need the regulation. Consumer choice will not end in Jan - we will still have the choice of bargain basement stuff of dubious provenance from Iceland, or the hand reared, grass fed, wanked off by the farmer stuff from waitrose and everything in-between.

Don’t people who live off Iceland turkey twizzlers deserve the same protection from hormone injected poultry as people buying Gressingham duck from Waitrose?

 

[journolud]

This assumes we need the regulation. Consumer choice will not end in Jan - we will still have the choice of bargain basement stuff of dubious provenance from Iceland, or the hand reared, grass fed, wanked off by the farmer stuff from waitrose and everything in-between.

Like consumers have the choice to spend their money on cigarettes and alcohol but then we have legislated in the case of the former to at least put some disincentive to that.

Given the choice between the two scenarios you describe (which Iceland might Baylor at) which of those do you think low income consumers will veer towards? Would it be nanny state to ensure some basic standards are maintained?

 

[Vic]

We have left the EU and regulations will no longer apply after 31 December. We’re not introducing legislation to replace them so whilst we’re not abolishing anything, effectively that’s what is happening.

Most of the EU regs have been put into UK law

European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018

www.legislation.gov.uk

with various orders since to bring UK law in line with EU changes.

 

[west didsblue]

Most of the EU regs have been put into UK law

European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018

www.legislation.gov.uk

with various orders since to bring UK law in line with EU changes.

Fair point, I stand corrected.
As you say, the point is that we are not committing to apply these regulations to imports, thereby potentially putting domestic producers at a disadvantage.

 

[meltonblue]

Like consumers have the choice to spend their money on cigarettes and alcohol but then we have legislated in the case of the former to at least put some disincentive to that.

Given the choice between the two scenarios you describe (which Iceland might Baylor at) which of those do you think low income consumers will veer towards? Would it be nanny state to ensure some basic standards are maintained?

The issue is with alcohol and cigarettes, people do have the choice but we restrict it to over a certain age (and tax heavily for doing it).

The issue with food is less the individual making the choice, it’s them making it on behalf of their children. My wife works in a primary school and the amount of kids that only get a decent meal at school really is depressing.

Not a brexit thing as such, but to me we should never be looking to reduce standards or regulations around awareness of food content.