Another new Brexit thread

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

You’ve got a choice which “level” you operate at and when you choose to are one of the few Brexit advocates who will actually discuss and rationalise the issues rather than resort to snide and stupid remarks. I’m not interested in “policing” the thread, that’s what I believe the mods are for though it’s obviously a thankless

Are you really surprised that news wasn’t discussed on here? It had passed me by but does it not develop the themes I’ve asked you to address, themes you have now acknowledged but choose not to address, preferring to “drop down to the gutter “. For a seemingly intelligent man...

So, adding that to the resignations of Cummings and Cain, where do you think the negotiations are headed?

To the betrayal of 17.4 million people and the resignation of the worse Prime Minister in the UKs history hopefully.

 

[Vic]

Nah - I had a few beers instead, but I am surprised that you do not notice the way the cadre of regular Remainers act as a sort of inner circle. It is as if they see the thread as their domain, which - given their success in getting so many Leavers to give up on the thread - is perhaps unsurprising.

Anyway - I make no apologies for expressing some admiration for the way @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese handles some of the 'contributions' from Remainers on here - as just one example:

Why that was aimed at any Leavers on here is a mystery to me - but I would have expected that you would have also admired the calm way MSC addressed that post.

So yeah - I felt OK about expressing admiration

Anyway - back on topic..........

I am surprised this news was not discussed on here:
UK PM names new chief of staff: former banker and adviser Rosenfield | Reuters
Worked closely with George Osborne - a Remain supporter and worse - a red

What does this suggest for the last weeks of Brexit negotiations? For someone that has been worried about Johnson's 'resolve' and character it is perhaps a worrying sign

I asked all the Leavers who've left the thread.

52% said it was because Brexit was done. (Of those, 2% said they really believed it was done.)

48% said it was because they now realised Brexit was shit and they could no longer defend it.

20% said it was because they were now embarrassed by attempts to justify it, especially by posters who don't want to debate details but just blether about inconvenient truths.

20% were disappointed that we wouldn't be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border. (Of those 52% now realised the whole Leave campaign was based on lies.)

1% said they left because they didn't like Remainers taking the piss. (Of those, 52% think there's a WhatsApp group discussing how best to take the piss.)

4% had now met someone from the EU working in hospital or a care home rather than just in Pret and realised what a valuable contribution they made to Britain.

32.554% said they didn't believe statistics, especially about how bad Brexit would be, so no longer posted.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Breaking News: Kent has moved from Tier 1 to Tier 3.



But on the positive side this means Nigel Farage is in lockdown.

 

[BobKowalski]

An Irish look into the problems of sausages and bypassing the GB land bridge...

‘Brexit: Food chain disruption and the death of the land bridge‘ via @RTENews

Food chain disruption and the death of the land bridge

The full implications of Brexit on established food supply chains between Ireland and the UK, and the UK and the European continent, have been painfully revealed in recent days.

www.rte.ie

 

[bluethrunthru]

The Secretary of State for Business - another Minister of State making a complete dick of himself whilst trying ( and failing thanks to Nick Ferrari ) to be a slippery bastard - and how can some businesses prepare for Brexit when they don't know what the conclusion of the negotiations is?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The Secretary of State for Business - another Minister of State making a complete dick of himself whilst trying ( and failing thanks to Nick Ferrari ) to be a slippery bastard - and how can some businesses prepare for Brexit when they don't know what the conclusion of the negotiations is?

I agree it;'s not ideal, but I suppose the pragmatic thing to do is prepare for no deal.

 

[bluethrunthru]

An Irish look into the problems of sausages and bypassing the GB land bridge...

‘Brexit: Food chain disruption and the death of the land bridge‘ via @RTENews

Food chain disruption and the death of the land bridge

The full implications of Brexit on established food supply chains between Ireland and the UK, and the UK and the European continent, have been painfully revealed in recent days.

www.rte.ie

remember this pack of lies?

Boris Johnson accused of misleading public over Brexit deal after Northern Ireland remarks – video

Johnson made the promise despite arrangements for customs controls under the Brexit deal he agreed last month with the EU

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

remember this pack of lies?

Boris Johnson accused of misleading public over Brexit deal after Northern Ireland remarks – video

Johnson made the promise despite arrangements for customs controls under the Brexit deal he agreed last month with the EU

www.theguardian.com

What a silly sausage!

 

[BobKowalski]

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So, adding that to the resignations of Cummings and Cain, where do you think the negotiations are headed?

A deal ultimately, just not a deal this year.

Johnson seems to have lost around 40 MPs who will not vote for the deal currently on offer and the deal isn’t going to change substantively between now and 31 December. Johnson is now just playing for time in the hope something better turns up. The necessity of any deal is reduced to the calculation of what is better for Johnson politically. All other considerations are secondary.

Philosophically the Tory party is pretty much wedded to having no dealings with European countries via the EU and wants to ideally embed itself in the Anglo-sphere. The US is it’s first choice, which with Biden now President is more of a long shot than it was under Trump. Then it’s Australia/Canada/NZ and possible access to the Pacific rim trade deal.

Being a member of something or having a conditional trading relationship with some countries isn’t an issue, the issue is having it with European countries and/or the EU. Essentially we have arrived at the philosophical endpoint of Brexit and that is the EU and European countries are the enemy and the EU has to fail, irrespective of the consequences.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

A deal ultimately, just not a deal this year.

Johnson seems to have lost around 40 MPs who will not vote for the deal currently on offer and the deal isn’t going to change substantively between now and 31 December. Johnson is now just playing for time in the hope something better turns up. The necessity of any deal is reduced to the calculation of what is better for Johnson politically. All other considerations are secondary.

Philosophically the Tory party is pretty much wedded to having no dealings with European countries via the EU and wants to ideally embed itself in the Anglo-sphere. The US is it’s first choice, which with Biden now President is more of a long shot than it was under Trump. Then it’s Australia/Canada/NZ and possible access to the Pacific rim trade deal.

Being a member of something or having a conditional trading relationship with some countries isn’t an issue, the issue is having it with European countries and/or the EU. Essentially we have arrived at the philosophical endpoint of Brexit and that is the EU and European countries are the enemy and the EU has to fail, irrespective of the consequences.

Don't worry Bobert, according to todays Guardian BJ's best mate Starmer is wipping labour MP's to vote it through. They are not allowed to say the word 'support' though!