Another new Brexit thread

[M18CTID]

Purely down to the far left hijacking the Labour Party.

Otherwise that shower of cunts would be out of business. People don't trust Corbyn.

True enough. I rue the day I slated Ed off for being too left-wing. I think even he might piss an election if he was still Labour leader and one was held tomorrow

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

All bye the bye and you asked me a question and ive given you my honest opinion.

No deal to the Irish economy is fucking bleak for you its that simple.

Its bleak for us and the EU but for you, disastrous.

It wont be allowed to happen, neither will a hard border for obvious reasons no matter how much the EU would love one.

I've no idea really. Just interested in opinions on the matter. Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. I think it is a valid question to ask.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Fair enough mate - maybe I have.

Genuinely I thought Corbyn was proposing a 70% income tax rate for people earning over £X / year (where X is a big number). Effectively halving the income of the very highly paid. That was the basis upon which I made my comment.

But in searching for links for this, I cannot find any. I can only assume I dreamt it in some recent nightmare. The one with Corbyn wearing a clown's outfit, chasing me with a pointy stick.

you've been reading the Daily Mail haven't you .... go on ... admit it

 

[west didsblue]

Nah, that can't be true mate. A few in here have said he definitely wants us out without a deal. I don't know how they know this but they sound extremely convincing.

My own personal view is that I believe he does want a deal but he and his team are struggling to come up with a solution to the backstop conundrum. That's not the same as wanting No Deal.

If he does get us out with a deal, no doubt some will spin it as him being shamed into it!

If he wanted a deal, he'd have made some concrete proposals to the EU, not put forward some half baked "non-papers", or he would have tried to established a consensus in parliament for a softer Brexit.

 

[BobKowalski]

All bye the bye and you asked me a question and ive given you my honest opinion.

No deal to the Irish economy is fucking bleak for you its that simple.

Its bleak for us and the EU but for you, disastrous.

It wont be allowed to happen, neither will a hard border for obvious reasons no matter how much the EU would love one.

Not sure it’s about economics anymore. Think it’s more existential then that. Just as concentrating on economics was a mistake made by Cameron, concentrating on economics is the mistake being made by Brexiteers and the U.K. Govt.

Politically the Irish Govt cannot accede to the U.K. demands on the backstop. Given the U.K. cannot provide legally operable alternatives to the backstop there is no pressure from Brussels on Ireland to do so either. Our choices remain the same. The WA, revoke or crash out.

 

[Neville Kneville]

So no what? Telling people in Sunderland they can't have what they voted for is sticking up for Sunderland, is it?

No, they are not righteous defenders of the public, they are fucking con men, using them to get their own way & they will use their powers after leaving the EU, to shit all over them, from a much greater height.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The country is becoming toxic. I fear it is not long until we see a repeat of a Jo Cox situation.

I fear that as well.

I don't know if I posted this over the last couple of days, but I thought about saying it...

I am actually resigned now to the fact that the ONLY thing that even begins to start healing the huge divisions in society, is us leaving the EU. It's what the people narrowly voted for and we must deliver it. I know I've said the opposite over the past 3 years, but that was then and this is now. This shite is never going away until we enact the will of the people in the 2016 referendum.

Once we do that the angry Leavers will calm down, and us angry Remainers will have to suck it up, but we can reflect upon the fact that there was a referendum which we lost. And from that point we can start to rebuild bridges, trust and relationships. Until it's done, the country is hopelessly divided.

 

[blueinsa]

I've no idea really. Just interested in opinions on the matter. Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. I think it is a valid question to ask.

Honestly? You see Varadkar bowing to an EU demand to erect a hard border in Ireland?

I certainly dont, ever!

Thats why talks are on now to treat the whole of Ireland as one for food and animal movements and checks where needed, trusted trader status for the rest.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Not sure about that.
The polls have settled into about 45% voting for leave parties split between the Tories and Farage's loonies.
About 55% will vote for Remain leaning parties with Labour's below what it should be because of Corbyn's unpopularity, but those votes have gone to the Lib Dems not to the Tories.
The only chance of Johnson not gaining the largest share is if we don't leave on 31 Oct, but those votes will go to Farage.
The opposition's best chance of winning is with an electoral pact between Corbyn and Swinson.

I believe there will be a majority for non right wing parties & therefore a referendum possibly.

But if Labour hadn't been looney left, I think we'd still be in the EU for good & Boris a peripheral clown figure.

 

[blueinsa]

I fear that as well.

I don't know if I posted this over the last couple of days, but I thought about saying it...

I am actually resigned now to the fact that the ONLY thing that even begins to start healing the huge divisions in society, is us leaving the EU. It's what the people narrowly voted for and we must deliver it. I know I've said the opposite over the past 3 years, but that was then and this is now. This shite is never going away until we enact the will of the people in the 2016 referendum.

Once we do that the angry Leavers will calm down, and us angry Remainers will have to suck it up, but we can reflect upon the fact that there was a referendum which we lost. And from that point we can start to rebuild bridges, trust and relationships. Until it's done, the country is hopelessly divided.

It is simply the only way out of this mate.

hopefully it gets done and it works out well.

If it doesnt then we can rejoin and lessons can be learnt from it but at least we will still have a semblance of faith in our democracy and a parliament that is not at each other throats like it is now, effectively paralysed until this gets sorted.

 

[Neville Kneville]

True enough. I rue the day I slated Ed off for being too left-wing. I think even he might piss an election if he was still Labour leader and one was held tomorrow

Possibly. He was a bit of a non entity is the problem there.

They need a good frontman or woman, as politics now is dumbed down into blatant lies & popularism, with substance 2nd.

Blair would have about 70% of the vote.

 

[west didsblue]

I believe there will be a majority for non right wing parties & therefore a referendum possibly.

But if Labour hadn't been looney left, I think we'd still be in the EU for good & Boris a peripheral clown figure.

Yeah probably but the Tories will have the most MPs in spite of their hate mongering leader.

 

[blueinsa]

Not sure it’s about economics anymore. Think it’s more existential then that. Just as concentrating on economics was a mistake made by Cameron, concentrating on economics is the mistake being made by Brexiteers and the U.K. Govt.

Politically the Irish Govt cannot accede to the U.K. demands on the backstop. Given the U.K. cannot provide legally operable alternatives to the backstop there is no pressure from Brussels on Ireland to do so either. Our choices remain the same. The WA, revoke or crash out.

Its always been about the money and still will be, hence a deal will be done.

Im utterly convinced of it and perversely, the Irish border and the fact no hard border will ever be put up either by us or the Irish and the geographical isolation of Ireland from the rest of the EU with us the main road link will save brexit for those that want to leave.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I fear that as well.

I don't know if I posted this over the last couple of days, but I thought about saying it...

I am actually resigned now to the fact that the ONLY thing that even begins to start healing the huge divisions in society, is us leaving the EU. It's what the people narrowly voted for and we must deliver it. I know I've said the opposite over the past 3 years, but that was then and this is now. This shite is never going away until we enact the will of the people in the 2016 referendum.

Once we do that the angry Leavers will calm down, and us angry Remainers will have to suck it up, but we can reflect upon the fact that there was a referendum which we lost. And from that point we can start to rebuild bridges, trust and relationships. Until it's done, the country is hopelessly divided.

I think it's divided for generations, irrespective.

I'm not scared of 'leavers' personally, I'm scared of the Government.

When the shit hits the fan after Brexit, they will be looking for people other than the EU, to pin it on & have all kinds of new powers to do shit to people.

 

[BobKowalski]

I fear that as well.

I don't know if I posted this over the last couple of days, but I thought about saying it...

I am actually resigned now to the fact that the ONLY thing that even begins to start healing the huge divisions in society, is us leaving the EU. It's what the people narrowly voted for and we must deliver it. I know I've said the opposite over the past 3 years, but that was then and this is now. This shite is never going away until we enact the will of the people in the 2016 referendum.

Once we do that the angry Leavers will calm down, and us angry Remainers will have to suck it up, but we can reflect upon the fact that there was a referendum which we lost. And from that point we can start to rebuild bridges, trust and relationships. Until it's done, the country is hopelessly divided.

I hear you but this shite is never going away no matter what happens. Leaving is the easy bit. Negotiating an future relationship deal will just see a much more difficult fight continue in a different phase. Our resentment at the EU, Europe, Europeans will grow even more toxic. Any negotiation, any compromise will be accompanied by screams of ‘betrayal’.

People want an end to this but voting to leave means it will never end. Three years since the referendum and its result has not bought one solitary, single benefit to anyone because there is no benefit. We can’t stop it, we can’t control it, we can’t ignore it. We can only endure it.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Its always been about the money and still will be, hence a deal will be done.

Im utterly convinced of it and perversely, the Irish border and the fact no hard border will ever be put up either by us or the Irish and the geographical isolation of Ireland from the rest of the EU with us the main road link will save brexit for those that want to leave.

I think we will see a border & the IRA back in full swing, which will delight the current Government & give them another villain to 'fight' against.

 

[blueinsa]

I think we will see a border & the IRA back in full swing, which will delight the current Government & give them another villain to 'fight' against.

Varadkar says no.

We say no.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

I fear that as well.

I don't know if I posted this over the last couple of days, but I thought about saying it...

I am actually resigned now to the fact that the ONLY thing that even begins to start healing the huge divisions in society, is us leaving the EU. It's what the people narrowly voted for and we must deliver it. I know I've said the opposite over the past 3 years, but that was then and this is now. This shite is never going away until we enact the will of the people in the 2016 referendum.

Once we do that the angry Leavers will calm down, and us angry Remainers will have to suck it up, but we can reflect upon the fact that there was a referendum which we lost. And from that point we can start to rebuild bridges, trust and relationships. Until it's done, the country is hopelessly divided.

My worry is that we are buggered no matter what

* Remain - Toxic angry leavers
* Soft brexit - Toxic angry leavers because that wasn't the brexit people voted for
* Hard brexit - Toxic angry remainers
* No deal - The fallout is horrendous and does irreversible damage to the country and nobody wins

It's Pandora's box and I don't see any positive outcome

 

[Saddleworth2]

I fear that as well.

I don't know if I posted this over the last couple of days, but I thought about saying it...

I am actually resigned now to the fact that the ONLY thing that even begins to start healing the huge divisions in society, is us leaving the EU. It's what the people narrowly voted for and we must deliver it. I know I've said the opposite over the past 3 years, but that was then and this is now. This shite is never going away until we enact the will of the people in the 2016 referendum.

Once we do that the angry Leavers will calm down, and us angry Remainers will have to suck it up, but we can reflect upon the fact that there was a referendum which we lost. And from that point we can start to rebuild bridges, trust and relationships. Until it's done, the country is hopelessly divided.

And we have a Prime Minister who is pouring petrol on the fire.

 

[BobKowalski]

Its always been about the money and still will be, hence a deal will be done.

Im utterly convinced of it and perversely, the Irish border and the fact no hard border will ever be put up either by us or the Irish and the geographical isolation of Ireland from the rest of the EU with us the main road link will save brexit for those that want to leave.

No it’s not just about the money. In Ireland it’s about identity and 800 years of history. For the EU countries it’s also about identity and also a bloody history. Creating a borderless free trade zone spanning 27 countries takes a lot of political will and has taken 40 years of painstaking work. No one in the EU is going to compromise that just to sell us a few more cars or some Italian ham.

Its down to us now. Take the deal, call it a Boris Bonus Special Deal or whatever but it’s take the deal, revoke or crash out and burn relations with 27 countries for a generation or three.