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Chippy_boy said:
Is it. Ok thanks for that insight.
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You know this to be the case.

He was doing it in 2016 by campaigning for leave as a remainer, he’s doing it now by shutting our MP’s out illegally.

If I was a Conservative and there are some aspects to my political view that are conservative, I’d want him gone as soon as possible.
 
Neville Kneville said:
No, you respect 'some' of the electorate.

The rest of leave voters, who don't agree with you, no longer count.

You have no more 'respect' for their position than I do.
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I'm not surprised you'd read it that way.

I DO respect the hard leave vote, I even share their desire to leave the EU, but i'm also raising the point that if leaving the EU is their end goal, they must have compromises on their position, same with the remainers. Staying connected to Europe and trade is their goal, but they also must reach a compromise by relinquishing certain aspects of being connected to Europe, namely being an EU member.

You're the one who wishes to completely disregard both soft and hard leave voters points of view, as well as some of the compromising remainers who feel we should leave in order to honour and respect democracy.
 
west didsblue said:
Just an opinion based on their behaviour.

I think the chances are that Scotland is highly likely to secede anyway whatever happens. Nailed on with no deal but highly likely with any form of Brexit or even remain. The general mistrust of Westminster that is there at the best of times has only got worse and dragging them out of the EU when 62% voted to remain in it isn't going to make matters better. Johnson/Cummings know this and in their world the fact that Johnson would then have 53 less opposition seats to worry about makes it very attractive for them to shit on the Scots.
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Don't disagree about the possibility of Scexit (I just made that up) if we were to leave the EU, and even if we don't - although it would then be MUCH less likely.

But neither you or I have any clue of the extent to which Johnson and Cummings value the Union, or not. It's pure speculation. Scotland leaving has been something that would favour the Tories from a westminster arithmetic standpoint for decades. And never have any of them advocated it, or even hinted at that. Never.
 
Ban-jani said:
You know this to be the case.

He was doing it in 2016 by campaigning for leave as a remainer, he’s doing it now by shutting our MP’s out illegally.

If I was a Conservative and there are some aspects to my political view that are conservative, I’d want him gone as soon as possible.
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I don't know it to be the case at all. That he is driven and makes seemingly wreckless decisions at times, is not in doubt. But the "he will do anything" line is absolute pure speculation.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The Times this morning inciting riots?
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Yep. Seems the promise of sunlit uplands and unicorns wasn’t doing the trick so the ruling Party has now gone for threats of civil unrest and violence to go alongside threats to MPs to vote the right way to avoid harm.

Think we can safely say the Brexit project is going well.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Don't disagree about the possibility of Scexit (I just made that up) if we were to leave the EU, and even if we don't - although it would then be MUCH less likely.

But neither you or I have any clue of the extent to which Johnson and Cummings value the Union, or not. It's pure speculation. Scotland leaving has been something that would favour the Tories from a westminster arithmetic standpoint for decades. And never have any of them advocated it, or even hinted at that. Never.
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Trademark it.
 
Who gives a toss what Bishops say?

most of them still can’t bear the thought of women at the pulpit or gay marriage!
 
Now the BBC have made Brexicast official it's become the official Tory propaganda podcast for Brexit.

Tory K, Adam Fleming and Katya Adler were full on slagging "Dead and Broken" parliament and the EU. Preparing everyone for a no deal where they'll be blamed despite Boris doing fuck all to get a deal.
 
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Small point from the BBC.

‘EU rules on how to deal with a departing country - the so-called Article 50 text - don't specify that an extension request must come from a government but rather from "the member state concerned".’
 
mcfc1632 said:
As I have said quite a lot - I am no fan of Johnson at all.

Just found these last pages loaded with the extreme bias of the Remainers and 'leftys' - tripping over each other to be 'holier than though'.

Utterly one way and OTT - and of course utterly ignoring the provocative and inflammatory language used by those on the 'other side'

Just been a Remainer wankfest on here - jumping on the chance to be 'outraged' IMO. FFS, some on here making lots of comments are the same people often found making extreme and abusive/aggressive/argumentative posts on here lol

'Proper' middle ground people like myself and quite a few others on here, who just happen to support Leaving the EU, can laugh at the double-standards and faux outrage.

All this angst will die down - Johnson is a buffoon and will not last long - let's just hope he is inflamed enough to find a way to get Brexit done despite all the efforts and determination of the EU Sycophants and their 'surrender bills'.
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Fascist! ;-)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Johnson is on a twin track 1) trying to get a deal 2) preparing for an election.
All the evidence in his behaviours is that he is paying lip service to trying to get a deal. Anything he comes up with will need to go through the HoC and he is hardly smoothing that path. Quite the reverese. His real effort is to win hearts and minds that parliament and the rest of the establishment is ‘the enemy’ and is stopping the will of the people. Only voting for him will deliver Brexit. It worked for him before with the referendum. It may well work again.
Instead of lies on the side of buses we will get even more of ‘surrender bills’ ‘traitors’ and the like. Straight from Cummings playbook. Strengthening the divisions rather than trying to heal them, but what the hell if it delivers a win.
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That's pretty much why I asked the question earlier about it being more or less likely, you'll leave with No Deal, If Boris gets a majority in an election.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Every UK citizen that cares for the UK's interests should/must vote down a deal that includes an unfettered backstop - simples really
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So the opposition is not at fault for 'stopping Brexit' then ? They are doing the right thing, according to you ?

Unless the Government has offered them another alternative deal to vote on ?

Have they ?

The opposition did of course offer the Government chance to work on a Brexit deal of their preference & pass that through.

Did the Conservatives go with it ?
 
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