Another new Brexit thread

[west didsblue]

None today

We would be fucked in years to come

Remainers are simply in denial

And of course leaving with No Deal doesn’t fuck us straight away and for the foreseeable future.

 

[mcfc1632]

Just listened to Leo Varadka saying that in the event of a no deal they would have to then start negotiations and discuss things like the settlement . You couldn't make stuff up like this. Surely better to discuss now Leo? In the event of a no deal there will be no settlement money! Talk about arrogance or is it stupidity. What a pillock.

Some people with experience have said for 3 years...

We will not see any movement from the EU unless and until they face the genuine prospect of a Walk away outcome and the political will to use it

They were right then and are right now too

 

[mcfc1632]

In the event of a no deal, I am pretty certain the UK government would reduce corporation tax to the same level as the ROI. Even May the remainer mentioned this three years ago. That and tariffs, if they were brought in, considering the amount of trade that goes through UK ports would completely knacker their economy. It wouldn't be great for us either in the short term. That's why this bluffing game has suddenly started. Pretty sure a new deal will be reached before the end of Oct. Politicians eh? Pretty pathetic bunch.

Correct - but if hamstrung by the backstop that is just one of many examples of what the UK could not do

 

[mcfc1632]

Ireland has blinked.
Who's next , Germany ?

...... We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the possibility of a walk away option and the political will to use it

 

[mcfc1632]

That sounds familiar ;)

Familar and fucking obvious

The EU - abetted by a self-serving Varadkhar - have disgustingly weaponised the border issue and will be responsible for any escalation of terrorism should it occur

And - FFS - Why should the UK’s policies be driven by the threats of terrorists

 

[mcfc1632]

My goodness. In what way? (Hint, check figures before responding as I have good source for each).
Of course, the answer is how the figures are used. Exactly in the same way as the original bus advert. It’s not right is it?

So - yes - things can be made to be mis-leading

Remain continue to do this

 

[Saddleworth2]

Again - the truth can be soooo inconvenient

I sometimes think you wouldn’t recognise the truth if it slapped you across the face like a wet fish.

 

[mcfc1632]

And of course leaving with No Deal doesn’t fuck us straight away and for the foreseeable future.

Fucks us in the here and now - any outcome where we leave the EU is in our long term interests - so let's just do it

 

[Ban-jani]

If we are going to remain then crack on with full integration

Thinking it is not inevitable is just denial

I think eventually it is but why make things slightly worse than they need to be now?

Why is every position you have to make things worse for the UK?

Full integration isn’t terrible, it’s just not quite as good as we currently have it. To push for something slightly worse now is ridiculous, when there isn’t a timeline for it.

 

[mcfc1632]

I sometimes think you wouldn’t recognise the truth if it slapped you across the face like a wet fish.

But - unfortunately for your viewpoint - I certainly can and in the main always do

 

[mcfc1632]

I think eventually it is but why make things slightly worse than they need to be now?

Why is every position you have to make things worse for the UK?

Full integration isn’t terrible, it’s just not quite as good as we currently have it. To push for something slightly worse now is ridiculous, when there isn’t a timeline for it.

At last some Remainer honesty

Fuck - it is hard to leave now - it will be impossible after this point

So now you accept that - the position of any Leaver that does not want full integration is validated

 

[Ban-jani]

At last some Remainer honesty

Fuck - it is hard to leave now - it will be impossible from this point

So now you accept that - the position of any Leaver that does not want full integration is validated

No it isn’t. Because full integration is infinitely better than Brexit still.

The timeline of it isn’t clear and I’m not 100% of it, I just admit I think it will be likely at some point. The EU do want to, that much is obvious.

It’s still better than not being a part of the strongest trading bloc in the history of the world.

 

[bluethrunthru]

None today

We would be fucked in years to come

Remainers are simply in denial

I disagree - the EU want us to stay to join the £ and eventually become part of the Union of the UK and NI - they want to become part of the British Armed Forces and will all move to driving Rover cars on the left hand side of the road.

Probably based in just about as much speculation as the claims of the Leave side but hey whats a fib and an exaggeration among friends - and enemies?

 

[Saddleworth2]

Fucks us in the here and now - any outcome where we leave the EU is in our long term interests - so let's just do it

You avoided my question why no deal was better than Mays deal. I posted my thoughts, why haven't you documented yours. By the way, you will need to do better than unfettered backstop waffle. Please address the consequences of both options in your response, both economic and political.

 

[Saddleworth2]

But - unfortunately for your viewpoint - I certainly can and in the main always do

iyo.

 

[Saddleworth2]

My goodness. In what way? (Hint, check figures before responding as I have good source for each).
Of course, the answer is how the figures are used. Exactly in the same way as the original bus advert. It’s not right is it?

@mcfc1632 I note with interest you did't bother to respond to this. Could it be you recognise the hypocrisy of your position? Why is my quote 'proper misleading' and the original bus message not?

 

[bluethrunthru]

PMSL - this is Brexit lol fucking state of it. I expect 90% of those who vote for it have any idea


@PaulEdgeworth
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[Vic]

I may be a card

But I am absolutely correct

There is no formal and clear mandate other than to Leave the EU - you cannot disagree with that and not be lying can you

Forget No-Deal or May's deal etc......

So one step at a time - and no prevaricating.....!!!!!

So start there - do you agree????????

Because if you cannot accept that simple fact - to use your words - you are simply and very obviously lying

Wow. Who's your drama tutor?

I'll agree there is no formal and clear mandate for anything because the referendum was only advisory, and therefore it is perfectly legitimate for Parliament to decide that as no-one mentioned leaving without a deal there's no mandate for that.

Have you yet got a quote from any Leaver that said we'd leave without a deal (or even didn't say we'd leave with a deal)? That's the fact we seem short of.

It doesn't even seem to get a mention in the petition saying we should leave without a deal. You'd think they'd want to remind Parliament of all the times leaving without a deal was mentioned.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/254329

 

[mcfc1632]

No it isn’t. Because full integration is infinitely better than Brexit still.

The timeline of it isn’t clear and I’m not 100% of it, I just admit I think it will be likely at some point. The EU do want to, that much is obvious.

It’s still better than not being a part of the strongest trading bloc in the history of the world.

At least you are being honest

Many are not

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

November 2018. Home secretary Sajid Javid said no deal with the EU could cause a sharp rise in crime and widespread protests escalating into weeks of chaos, there is the “real possibility” that soldiers would have to be deployed on the streets, even with police leave postponed.

Part of his report says: “There is an expectation that crime not directly connected to Brexit will rise, as acquisitive crime will habitually rise in the event of restricted availability of goods.”

He now seems to be desperate for no deal and he’s now spending £344m for border and customs operations, including the recruitment of an extra 500 Border Force officers, training and new IT.
Additional funds will be made available for the Operation Brockets traffic management system, under which thousands of lorries are expected to be parked on A-roads and motorways and in the disused Manston airfield in Kent as they queue to use the port of Dover.

Some £434m will be devoted to trying to maintain supplies of medicines and medical products by boosting freight capacity and providing warehouse facilities for stockpiling.

In all, an immediate cash boost of £1.1bn will be directed at critical areas like border operations, medicines and transport, and a further £1bn made available for use by local authorities and devolved governments as the 31 October deadline for Brexit approaches.
Yet another magic money tree appears to have been found.