Another new Brexit thread

[Ban-jani]

Membership of UN or NATO does not require us to sign up to act as part of a large multi-national trading bloc from which we obtain significant economic benefits. If it did, no doubt leaving those organisations in a constructive way would also require some form of withdrawal agreement.

It’s staggering how poor some people’s understanding of the EU is, yet are convinced they want to leave it.

 

[BobKowalski]

...It seems only the EU are so wonderful and generous to provide a structure which is too good to leave.

Probably explains why we are finding it so difficult to leave then. I mean it’s not as if you are tempting those on the Remain side with any juicy tidbits is it? All we’ve got to look forward to so far is setting NI ablaze, breaking up the U.K. and turning what’s left into a charnel house of slaughtered livestock.

Personally I think it would pay to work on your messaging as so far it’s shit.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Probably explains why we are finding it so difficult to leave then. I mean it’s not as if you are tempting those on the Remain side with any juicy tidbits is it? All we’ve got to look forward to so far is setting NI ablaze, breaking up the U.K. and turning what’s left into a charnel house of slaughtered livestock.

Personally I think it would pay to work on your messaging as so far it’s shit.

What messaging? I was just making a comparison. You seem to be suggesting our relationship with the EU is like the author and the 'nurse' in Stephen Kings misery.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Membership of UN or NATO does not require us to sign up to act as part of a large multi-national trading bloc from which we obtain significant economic benefits. If it did, no doubt leaving those organisations in a constructive way would also require some form of withdrawal agreement.

Both provide significant potential security benefits (as does EU membership btw). The EU however seems to be attempting a 'hotel California' - you can check out but you can never leave. I think the Eagles put it quite succinctly. I'm not sure either NATO or the UN would publicly state that they would impoverish us to deter others from leaving - presumably those UK child poverty forecasts posted earlier don't concern the EU, or I doubt they'd risk exacerbating them :-)

 

[BobKowalski]

Both provide significant potential security benefits (as does EU membership btw). The EU however seems to be attempting a 'hotel California' - you can check out but you can never leave. I think the Eagles put it quite succinctly. I'm not sure either NATO or the UN would publicly state that they would impoverish us to deter others from leaving - presumably those UK child poverty forecasts posted earlier don't concern the EU, or I doubt they'd risk exacerbating them :-)

We can leave. There is an agreed mechanism and a legal agreement on the table to exit the EU. The only ‘difficulty’ is that we embarked on this venture convinced that even though we wanted to leave we also wanted to keep all the good bits and we are certainly not interested in any negative trade offs involved in the actual reality of leaving as opposed to the fantasy Brexit of sunlit uplands.

It’s all very well lying to ourselves but I don’t think it’s incumbent on 27 other countries to swallow our lies. We voted for a shitshow so a shitshow is what we get. Would be great if we stopped whining about it as well. Frankly I have no idea why Johnson is faffing around if he wants us to exit on 31st Oct. Might as well do it at the end of August. If we are going to jump then let’s jump.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Brexit going well :


- Some 45,000 dairy cows could be culled in Northern Ireland, in the event of a no-deal Brexit if new higher tariffs are applied to British milk, senior industry figures have warned


- David Herdson, a former councillor and ex-chair of two local Conservative associations, said he was tearing up his membership over the “obsession” with leaving the EU on 31 October 31, the Prime Minister's decision to hire Dominic Cummings and his "unconservative" spending plans.


- A no-deal Brexit could result in a shortage of perishable goods and hard-to-grow products on British shelves, experts have warned.
The UK food industry said the main impact of such a departure from the bloc will be on fresh produce, such as fruit and vegetables, which cannot be stockpiled by retailers or consumers and are largely imported from the EU during the winter months.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

We can leave. There is an agreed mechanism and a legal agreement on the table to exit the EU. The only ‘difficulty’ is that we embarked on this venture convinced that even though we wanted to leave we also wanted to keep all the good bits and we are certainly not interested in any negative trade offs involved in the actual reality of leaving as opposed to the fantasy Brexit of sunlit uplands.

It’s all very well lying to ourselves but I don’t think it’s incumbent on 27 other countries to swallow our lies. We voted for a shitshow so a shitshow is what we get. Would be great if we stopped whining about it as well. Frankly I have no idea why Johnson is faffing around if he wants us to exit on 31st Oct. Might as well do it at the end of August. If we are going to jump then let’s jump.

You make a good point about not waiting to leave, but sadly the lack of parliamentary working days in both the EU and Westminster over summer preclude this I believe.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Sold.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/nort...h-as-new-lodge-bonfire-set-to-be-lit-1680276/

Thats nothing....just a bit of craic

 

[George Hannah]

Isaac Newton would love this thread - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction etc

 

[Damocles]

- Some 45,000 dairy cows could be culled in Northern Ireland, in the event of a no-deal Brexit if new higher tariffs are applied to British milk, senior industry figures have warned

100 billion chickens could be culled in the event that a chicken genocidal dictator takes over the world.

"Could" is a totally worthless statement

 

[smudgedj]

How did you reach that bizarre conclusion? U.K. Rail companies tried to screw more money from European tourists/travellers and pulled out (or were chucked out - some conflicting reports on that) of the scheme. Uproar ensued and U.K. companies did a swift 180 and now peace and harmony reigns.

You guys need to lay off the paranoia juice. Its fucking with your heads.

I read it in one of your posts

Seems we will be pulling out of the Interrail/Eurorail scheme at the end of this year which is a shame.

This Brexit lark is somewhat short on positives.

 

[aguero93:20]

Both provide significant potential security benefits (as does EU membership btw). The EU however seems to be attempting a 'hotel California' - you can check out but you can never leave. I think the Eagles put it quite succinctly. I'm not sure either NATO or the UN would publicly state that they would impoverish us to deter others from leaving - presumably those UK child poverty forecasts posted earlier don't concern the EU, or I doubt they'd risk exacerbating them :-)

NATO and the UN have fuck all to do with economics. NATO would tell you you'd have less security benefits, the U.N.would tell you that you'd have less diplomatic clout.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

NATO and the UN have fuck all to do with economics. NATO would tell you you'd have less security benefits, the U.N.would tell you that you'd have less diplomatic clout.

Yes, that's what I said, but they would not seek to take punitive measures to deter others from leaving.

 

[East Level 2]

Isaac Newton would love this thread - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction etc

He'd appreciate the gravity of the situation.

 

[mcfc1632]

It was a joke.

I know what your point was and it was ridiculous. If you want to know why, use your analytical powers or google it.

As for the Scotland "question" that you rather incoherently posted as an opinion rather than an actual question, try reading the thread.

Just waking up after too many post-golf beers

1. you don't do jokes / are not funny

2. It seems that you have still not worked out a pretty obvious point and are hiding behind insults - as per usual. Hopefully others have had the capability to objectively assess things

 

[mcfc1632]

I’m not the only one struggling with your post, the English is terrible at best.

I’ve re-read what you wrote several times and the only conclusion I can draw is that you mean that Scotland is more likely to leave whilst we’re in the EU, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Feel free to try again but I fully expect you to just say “google it” or “be analytical” as you normally do.

I will explain - as it seems that prejudice renders people incapable of objective analysis

Just catching up though and hopefully will find there is no need to spoon-feed

 

[mcfc1632]

We’re not that bothered, I know you think this forum resolves around you but it doesn’t.

It’s your problem no one can understand you.

We’ll just crack on further highlighting why Brexit is a shit show.

That you or WDB could comment on other people thinking the forum revolves around them is pure Lol

You guys are obsessed and all over the forum - I most certainly am not. I mainly read the main / current Bluemoon Forum threads - occasionally post - and Brexit threads because it is a topic I have been interested in for many years

Regarding this point that I have made - it has just been amusing to see that prejudice does indeed render people blind to obvious points, but their need to be seen as 'knowledgeable' makes them still bang on talking/posting over people in their need to be seen to be right

Your interaction with AC yesterday was a case in point

And of course, just like WDB, you now start to need to hide behind sniping comments

 

[mcfc1632]

Ok. But hurry, time is precious.
I'm still stuck on one of Tolmie's clues from last year's transfer tread.

TBF I was bouncing around in the back of a car killing time during a 2 hour journey back from Paphos - then strangely - when back in the only MCFC supporters club on the island - others matters became more important

Don't get expectations up - what I said was simply my opinion - I could of course be wrong but logically, I would suggest that my opinion could well be proven correct. Just surprised that obvious points are missed

If I am proven to be wrong, I will hold my hands up and admit that - rather than dig in / backslide / say I meant something else / take refuge in sniping

Others should perhaps practice that IMO

 

[mcfc1632]

Didn't you know that being less likely to leave the UK if we leave the EU is not the same as being more likely to leave the UK if we remain.

Oh dear

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

That you or WDB could comment on other people thinking the forum revolves around them is pure Lol

You guys are obsessed and all over the forum - I most certainly am not

Regarding this point that I have made - it has just been amusing to see that prejudice does indeed render people blind to obvious points, but their need to be seen as 'knowledgeable' makes them still bang on talking/posting over people in there need to be seen to be right

Your interaction with AC yesterday was a case in point

And of course, just like WDB, you now start to need to hide behind sniping comments

Tbf I'd take the sniping as a positive thing. It means those concerned are exercising self control by not just calling you a racist, nazi or stupid. This is a sign that the level of debate is better and the thread less likely to be pulled.