Another new Brexit thread

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

You're saying the UVF and the like are Dad's Army wannabees?

Also for the record, just in case anyone reads from this that I support racism via right-wing organisations, that cannot be further from the truth.

pretty much, yeah

 

[kaz7]

Any news,,where are we at with it al,to many pages to catch up on,ta

 

[Neville Kneville]

Fair enough. In which respect? I know my frustrations were previously on Brexit and the dealings with antisemitism but he has seemingly improved in both areas and those were my red crosses for not voting Labour previously.

Well the antisemetic stuff on its own is disgusting imo & if he doesn't agree with the sentiment, it shows what an absolutely shite leader he is, in the fact of how he allowed it.

I think Brexit & the ensuing chaos, is almost as much his fault, as Farage & the Tories, as he didn't lead the opposition at all, to counter their ridiculous, shit, lies, which former Labour leaders would have completely discredited.

His only concern was & is, getting himself elected imo. So now he is taking a position on Brexit because he thinks he has to, not because he wants to. In that respect, he is no better than Boris Johnson politically, as both have used the whole thing purely to try & get the PM job.

I could go on all day tbh. I just think he's an utter **** & I don't like many of his cohorts either, especially Abbott who is a fucking joke imo.

The only thing he has going for him, imo, is not being a Tory, as they have turned into a grotesque, super evil caricature of even Thatcher's party.


I worry about Corbyn getting elected with a majority even in those circumstances though, as I think the public would so quickly learn to hate him & his cronies, that the next, even more Fascist version of the Tories might get elected on the bounce from him.

I'm hoping he would have to enter a coalition rather than get elected outright.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Just reading yellowhammer. Bloody hell

if you are reading a redacted copy then I can inform you the missing section covers fuel supplies which will be badly hit thus causing movement of goods and people issues - the loss of 2000 jobs and two oil refineries to close - that could be spun as the UK cutting its greenhouse gas emissions I suppose !!

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

if you are reading a redacted copy then I can inform you the missing section covers fuel supplies which will be badly hit thus causing movement of goods and people issues - the loss of 2000 jobs and two oil refineries to close - that could be spun as the UK cutting its greenhouse gas emissions I suppose !!

Cheers was wondering what was in section 15

 

[bluethrunthru]

Cheers was wondering what was in section 15

Armageddon?

 

[Ban-jani]

Well the antisemetic stuff on its own is disgusting imo & if he doesn't agree with the sentiment, it shows what an absolutely shite leader he is, in the fact of how he allowed it.

I think Brexit & the ensuing chaos, is almost as much his fault, as Farage & the Tories, as he didn't lead the opposition at all, to counter their ridiculous, shit, lies, which former Labour leaders would have completely discredited.

His only concern was & is, getting himself elected imo. So now he is taking a position on Brexit because he thinks he has to, not because he wants to. In that respect, he is no better than Boris Johnson politically, as both have used the whole thing purely to try & get the PM job.

I could go on all day tbh. I just think he's an utter **** & I don't like many of his cohorts either, especially Abbott who is a fucking joke imo.

The only thing he has going for him, imo, is not being a Tory, as they have turned into a grotesque, super evil caricature of even Thatcher's party.


I worry about Corbyn getting elected with a majority even in those circumstances though, as I think the public would so quickly learn to hate him & his cronies, that the next, even more Fascist version of the Tories might get elected on the bounce from him.

I'm hoping he would have to enter a coalition rather than get elected outright.

I understand your frustrations as I too have felt them. I don’t think he took them seriously enough to begin with and felt they were mostly online trolls. This was poor leadership and I believe he’s tried to do his best since it happened to resolve the issue. At first I thought he was letting his disdain at Israeli government policy cloud his judgement but now I just think he underestimated the level of the issue.

Again with Brexit, as a remainer, I was furious with him and agree the trying to appease both sides was never going to work. I disagree he’s as much to blame, they’ve agreed to implement the result of the referendum just without no deal being an option. I think we’d all take the softer Brexit Labour would go for at this stage. Their latest position is the most responsible and mature stance taken on the entire debate, by any party and my respect for Labour has grown since that point.

I disagree with the last part, he’ll drag the political compass back towards the left and people won’t want to lose the rights they will gain from a Labour Government.

 

[smudgedj]

if you are reading a redacted copy then I can inform you the missing section covers fuel supplies which will be badly hit thus causing movement of goods and people issues - the loss of 2000 jobs and two oil refineries to close - that could be spun as the UK cutting its greenhouse gas emissions I suppose !!

It was redacted because that problem was solved with a continuation of the trade agreement between Norway and the UK. Signed off in April.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

 

[west didsblue]

It was redacted because that problem was solved with a continuation of the trade agreement between Norway and the UK. Signed off in April.

Except the Yellowhammer document was written in August. I'm sure they would have known about the Norway continuity deal.

 

[bluejon]

Cheers was wondering what was in section 15

Apparently shortages of werthers originals so redacted as to not upset Johnson's base.

 

[journolud]

Any news,,where are we at with it al,to many pages to catch up on,ta

We've not left yet, opinions are divided.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Any news,,where are we at with it al,to many pages to catch up on,ta

Nothing particularly interesting as Johnson has prorogued parliament.
That's going to be reviewed in the UK supreme court next week as to whether it is lawful or not, a Scottish court decided it was unlawful but do not have the power to enforce anything

 

[kaz7]

We've not left yet, opinions are divided.

Ha,same as then

 

[kaz7]

Nothing particularly interesting as Johnson has prorogued parliament.
That's going to be reviewed in the UK supreme court next week as to whether it is lawful or not, a Scottish court decided it was unlawful but do not have the power to enforce anything

Thanks

 

[aguero93:20]

Armageddon?

Shit film.

 

[aguero93:20]

Any news,,where are we at with it al,to many pages to catch up on,ta

Still having a national nervous breakdown. Might be approaching rock bottom and therefore the recovery now though.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I understand your frustrations as I too have felt them. I don’t think he took them seriously enough to begin with and felt they were mostly online trolls. This was poor leadership and I believe he’s tried to do his best since it happened to resolve the issue. At first I thought he was letting his disdain at Israeli government policy cloud his judgement but now I just think he underestimated the level of the issue.

Again with Brexit, as a remainer, I was furious with him and agree the trying to appease both sides was never going to work. I disagree he’s as much to blame, they’ve agreed to implement the result of the referendum just without no deal being an option. I think we’d all take the softer Brexit Labour would go for at this stage. Their latest position is the most responsible and mature stance taken on the entire debate, by any party and my respect for Labour has grown since that point.

I disagree with the last part, he’ll drag the political compass back towards the left and people won’t want to lose the rights they will gain from a Labour Government.

They didn't mind chucking the rights they gained from the EU & voting for two Fascist parties.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I would never vote for any party whose leader had views and behaviour as abhorrent as Farage, irrespective of whether I agreed with his main policy.
I guess you're one of those "Ends justify the means" type people.

No that's Machiavelli!

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

These events have been discussed over and over...his meeting with and talking to terrorists can be construed in many ways...now firstly, i am not a fan of Corbyn but secondly, the fact that the British establishment reached out and spoke with republicans paved the way and established dialogue which eventually lead to peace.
Im not saying he was responsible for the GFA..becasue he wasnt...but his and many others efforts helped create links

I don't know much about Corbyn's involvement, but however unpalatable he may be for seemingly quite a lot of people in England, both in and out of Labour, just bear in mind what Ulster/NI has endured for circa 60 years. Paisley and McGuinness both have chequered pasts. One admitted to being part of the IRA while the other denied until his death that he was responsible for anything that the UVF did in the early days, despite funding coming from his ministry and party.

I'm not saying I'd vote for him if I was in a position to. As I say I really don't know enough about him but I always smirk at the outrage that comes from England over things like this.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, there always seems to be double standards involved when regarding NI politics as opposed to the rest of the UK.