Another new Brexit thread

[Blue Hefner]

If we leave with a free trade deal and the predicted doom and gloom doesn't happen, will you be on here apologising to everyone who's intelligence you've been questioning for 3 years?

If it ends up alright on the night then I will happily hold my hands up. Why wouldn’t I?

 

[hgblue]

If it ends up alright on the night then I will happily hold my hands up. Why wouldn’t I?

Fair enough, so maybe you should open your mind to the concept that you, and those who share your echo chamber, are wrong?

 

[Blue Hefner]

Fair enough, so maybe you should open your mind to the concept that you, and those who share your echo chamber, are wrong?

My mind is open. As are my eyes and ears which leads me to the conclusion that this is a bad idea but we have to go through with it anyway

Will it be a catastrophe, I’d like to hope Government protects us from that but that isn’t really the question. The question is will it be measurably be better for the country as a whole within a reasonable time frame I.e immediately - and I think the answer is no

 

[west didsblue]

Fair enough, so maybe you should open your mind to the concept that you, and those who share your echo chamber, are wrong?

Can you tell us how we can possibly leave with a free trade deal if we're not even discussing it?

 

[dave_blue12]

Because it’s easy to be wrong. But besides that, in their own little echo chamber they think they are correct

There was a bloke on the radio yesterday having a go at the man in the hospital who was having a go at Johnson - this bloke ticked off every single false accusation I.e he was a plant, he had a microphone etc - it was explained how and why he was wrong. The bloke didn’t say ‘oh, sorry. And thanks for putting me right’. He hung up and probably still thinks he’s right today

It the good old days* if you were wrong and someone put you right you accepted it and moved on. Now people get labelled as a ‘liberal’ or accused of having some sort of hidden agenda. Strange times

*”that’s the thing about the old days, they the old days” Slim, The Wire

People have been sold a pile of shit and no one wants to admit it, even to themselves. So they just carry on supporting something that anyone who is not invested can clearly see is nonsense.

I think I've quoted Mark Twain recently on this thread but it's worth repeating - 'it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they have been fooled'

In my experience people outside the UK who clearly have 'no skin in the game' think we have lost our minds. They have the luxury of looking dispationately at the facts and are not subject to the bile produced by the MSM in this country.

 

[mcfc1632]

Not got time to catch up with the thread yet - but just saw an interesting news clip when I was logging into mail:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...s-build-for-a-deal/ar-AAHyqjO?ocid=spartanntp

Has something happened ?

The potential of what could be unlocked should the EU ever face the genuine prospect of a no-deal is very significant

 

[Vic]

If we leave with a free trade deal and the predicted doom and gloom doesn't happen, will you be on here apologising to everyone who's intelligence you've been questioning for 3 years?

Unbelievable. Get a free trade deal and the predicted doom and gloom will be less gloomy and less doomy, but there is no free trade deal on offer. No-one in government has talked about a free trade deal since the referendum. Lots before, the liars, but nowt since.

 

[Mike D]

The only people that I listen to on the chances of a deal are the Irish and the EU. Every line of bullshit that is spewed out by Johnson or his government is instantly rebuked by mainly the Irish. The deputy Irish PM this morning on Radio 4 was particulary revealing about the way the negiotiations are going and all comes back to the same argument Johnson and his government demanding the back stop is removed and replaced with a wing and prayer that they find something to replace it. You could feel the frustration in his voice having to go over and over the same point "we can't just move the backstop because it works, just removing it and hoping we can replace it with something else." It can't be removed only replaced by something else that is agreed can work.

 

[Mike D]

If we leave with a free trade deal and the predicted doom and gloom doesn't happen, will you be on here apologising to everyone who's intelligence you've been questioning for 3 years?

Yep and I will have one of the unicorns please a white one with a rainbow main.

 

[bluejon]

Not got time to catch up with the thread yet - but just saw an interesting news clip when I was logging into mail:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...s-build-for-a-deal/ar-AAHyqjO?ocid=spartanntp

Has something happened ?

The potential of what could be unlocked should the EU ever face the genuine prospect of a no-deal is very significant

Aye, we'll be told to fuck off by 27 different countries:


The European Union has rejected a request from the British government for a Brexit deal without a Irish backstop in.

Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay on Thursday said the UK should be given until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement for the policy – instead of the end of September deadline set by EU leaders.


The minister travelled to Brussels on Friday to meet with Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator – but was told that the EU could not consider a deal without a backstop or replacement in.

 

[M18CTID]

Revoking now to reassess is the only option that makes any strategic sense. Our desperation to do a ‘deal’ and leave by an artificial date that is controlled by the other side is lunacy. Every single phase since we triggered A50 has been set and decided by the EU. And what do we do? Battle on regardless. It may be plucky, it might even be glorious but it’s not how you negotiate.

Good point. Which ironically gives us the chance to take more control of the situation when you put it like that. You know mate - perhaps you should be nominated to sell that one to the Leave voters, while at the same time stating that meeting deadlines is ceding control to the EU. I reckon it would go down well in general ;)

 

[journolud]

Not got time to catch up with the thread yet - but just saw an interesting news clip when I was logging into mail:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...s-build-for-a-deal/ar-AAHyqjO?ocid=spartanntp

Has something happened ?

The potential of what could be unlocked should the EU ever face the genuine prospect of a no-deal is very significant

The EU have capitulated like we always knew they would and given in to all our demands.

 

[Mike D]

Not got time to catch up with the thread yet - but just saw an interesting news clip when I was logging into mail:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...s-build-for-a-deal/ar-AAHyqjO?ocid=spartanntp

Has something happened ?

The potential of what could be unlocked should the EU ever face the genuine prospect of a no-deal is very significant

Same old crap peddled by Murdoch to promote Johnson's cause. The whole thing is a sham we already know the outcome let's all pretend to negoitiate and then when it all falls apart it will be the EU's because they won't budge, so we just have to leave on a no deal. But its okay and its going to be all fine the UK will be a Singapore style wealthy right wingers wet dream, low tax and regulation, free ports (6 of them to start with).

 

[west didsblue]

Aye, we'll be told to fuck off by 27 different countries:


The European Union has rejected a request from the British government for a Brexit deal without a Irish backstop in.

Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay on Thursday said the UK should be given until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement for the policy – instead of the end of September deadline set by EU leaders.


The minister travelled to Brussels on Friday to meet with Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator – but was told that the EU could not consider a deal without a backstop or replacement in.

No we won't because we have asked the EU that our "non-papers" don't get forwarded to the 27 countries for fear of ridicule.
Obviously they don't actually need top see our proposals because a deal is nailed on due to the fact that they're all shit scared of No Deal and they will give us what we want including a free trade deal.
That appears to be the delusion to which some of our Brexit supporting fellow Bluemooners subscribe to, and is the tactic of our Prime Minister.

 

[blueinsa]

So much anger at the news that a deal is now looking far more likely.

You would think its an outcome some never wanted to see despite 3 years of them going on about no deal brexit.

Strange.

 

[Chris in London]

This is why the bus lie was so influential. How on earth are we in a situation where people STILL do not understand such a simple and fundamental point?

There's so much information and misinformation out there that many ordinary people cannot, or will not, differentiate any more. Whilst it would take about 2 minutes on Google to find out this simple fact, many people are relying on soundbites or facebook posts instead.

You can't teach people what they refuse to learn.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

This thread is bonkers. I posted only a few hours ago and 200 more have been made since

 

[bluejon]

This thread is bonkers. I posted only a few hours ago and 200 more have been made since

It's friday and it's sunny outside, the procrastination level is high.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

So much anger at the news that a deal is now looking far more likely.

You would think its an outcome some never wanted to see despite 3 years of them going on about no deal brexit.

Strange.

Zero chance of a deal that will satisfy the ERG types and the moderate leavers. BoJo knows this so he has set up a sham negotation that doesnt even involve a solid proposition. Just a bunch of incompatble ideas that the EU will reject. Then the blame game starts again.

 

[Vic]

So much anger at the news that a deal is now looking far more likely.

You would think its an outcome some never wanted to see despite 3 years of them going on about no deal brexit.

Strange.

Anger?

Likely?

News?