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George Hannah said:
As long as you recognise the FT for what it is - the Remain lobby's Light Brigade - their apocalyptic foreboding makes perfect sense.
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Hmm we'll see about that.

Anyone who is not concerned at what lies ahead, especially given who is likely navigating our country, is guilty of blind optimism.

I struggle to see how the stated aims of the Brxiteers can be reconciled with the reality of the EU protecting its very existence.
 
Meanwhile in other Brexit news, Noel Gallagher who told the British public to 'get fcuking over it" when it comes to Brexit has revealed he applied for an Irish passport after the vote in 2016.
Apparently he did it to make his life easier touring around Europe!
Could you make it up Jeff? I couldn't.
 
Len Rum said:
Meanwhile in other Brexit news, Noel Gallagher who told the British public to 'get fcuking over it" when it comes to Brexit has revealed he applied for an Irish passport after the vote in 2016.
Apparently he did it to make his life easier touring around Europe!
Could you make it up Jeff? I couldn't.
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I think there is an elment in all levers that works like this:

Will this directly effect me? - no - let's do it then.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Hmm we'll see about that. Anyone who is not concerned at what lies ahead, especially given who is likely navigating our country, is guilty of blind optimism. I struggle to see how the stated aims of the Brxiteers can be reconciled with the reality of the EU protecting its very existence.
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Quite correct, blaming Europe for our really poor deal when it has no choice other than to protect its own interests is clearly nonsense. The whole Brexit negotiation was a sham from beginning to end and both sides knew it from the start. We have spectacularly failed to make proper preparations for the inevitable crash out in trading terms, better now to stay inside the EU and find another solution to the political problems of further integration. Unfortunately for the country the Tory/ERG/Farage axis looks nailed on to win a working majority so we'll have to muddle through the damaging consequences.
 
Good thread setting out why a FTA with the EU is unlikely given the timeframe. This has been obvious to me all along but there are some on here living in a fantasy world.

No deal is still very much on the cards.

 
dave_blue12 said:
Good thread setting out why a FTA with the EU is unlikely given the timeframe. This has been obvious to me all along but there are some on here living in a fantasy world.

No deal is still very much on the cards.

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God, that’s depressing reading, but no different to what a few posters on here have been saying for months.

The problem is, the truth is a lot more complex than “Get Brexit Done” and that’s the level of comprehension that most of the people wanting it have.

If on the Remain side had a Farage or a Johnson their soundbite would have to be “The nightmare’s just begun”.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
God, that’s depressing reading, but no different to what a few posters on here have been saying for months.

The problem is, the truth is a lot more complex than “Get Brexit Done” and that’s the level of comprehension that most of the people wanting it have.

If on the Remain side had a Farage or a Johnson their soundbite would have to be “The nightmare’s just begun”.
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Best that Johnson gets a chuffing big majority then to respond to the EU demands in kind.
Canada+ is what he wants.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
God, that’s depressing reading, but no different to what a few posters on here have been saying for months.

The problem is, the truth is a lot more complex than “Get Brexit Done” and that’s the level of comprehension that most of the people wanting it have.

If on the Remain side had a Farage or a Johnson their soundbite would have to be “The nightmare’s just begun”.
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But they wants their Brexit and they wants it now!
 
dave_blue12 said:
Reality is just around the corner

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To be fair this is a bit of headline shock that is often deployed by the media.

The incoming Trade Negotiator at the EU said the below-

Mr Hogan told Irish broadcaster RTE last week that Brussels would seek to kick off the negotiations swiftly, noting that the UK’s 46 years of EU membership created a unique context: one where Britain is integrated into the European market and in sync with its rules. “With a bit of goodwill on both sides we can do an agreement more quickly than we would do with any other negotiations around the world, which would take three or four years,” he said.
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Ban-jani said:
To be fair this is a bit of headline shock that is often deployed by the media.

The incoming Trade Negotiator at the EU said the below-
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I'm aware of what Hogan said. My view is he is putting a positive gloss on things. After all he will be responsible for getting this sorted and he's hardly going to say 'given the position of the UK this is an impossible task' before he's started. He would be accused of negativity and dooming the talks.

It's his job to be positive but the reality is somewhat different in my view.
 
dave_blue12 said:
I'm aware of what Hogan said. My view is he is putting a positive gloss on things. After all he will be responsible for getting this sorted and he's hardly going to say 'given the position of the UK this is an impossible task' before he's started. He would be accused of negativity and dooming the talks.

It's his job to be positive but the reality is somewhat different in my view.
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The EU want a deal, over no deal.

They’re not going to cut their nose to spite their face.
 
Ban-jani said:
The EU want a deal, over no deal.

They’re not going to cut their nose to spite their face.
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They have to protect their interests and the agreements they have with other trading nations ...... they are NOT going to give us a deal better than those they already have in place. They are NOT going to give us a deal where they have the capability and capacity to manufacture / produce themselves.

The UK pulling out of the Eu gives them the opportunity to solve some problem unemployment areas. Which they will grab with both hands ....
 
Ban-jani said:
The EU want a deal, over no deal.

They’re not going to cut their nose to spite their face.
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Of course they want a deal.

But thèy are not going to put the pillars of the EU at risk to satisfy the UK.

Either the UK will fall in line with the EU which is politically unacceptable to the Tory party or we will diverge meaning the FTA becomes way more complicated.

There is not the time to negotiate a complicated FTA and so you are betting on the UK closely aligning with the EU. I just don't see this happening as it would make the whole thing a pointless exercise.
 
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