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Chippy_boy said:
Not to mention the supreme irony of NI being vehemently opposed to literally anything which puts so much as a piece of rice paper between NI and GB, whereas Scotland want to saw the country off and float it as far away as possible. (Which is fine with me by the way. If we never have to hear Jimmy Crankie whinging on and on, then that in itself would make it worth it.)
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er, what?

i think you are confusing NI with just the DUP....that one party were vehemently opposed...not the entire country, as you suggest. Dont make stuff up.
 
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Great band :-|
 
blueparrot said:
Wait and see whose right, you are ignoring the fact he has made a lot of expensive promises, he needs a strong economy. I don't think anyone even the hardline Brexitters deny the harder the Brexit the harder the damage to the economy and the longer to see any benefit. Won't have to wait long to see the direction he takes he has given himself another cliff edge deadline so the softer the Brexit also the quicker he can get agreement.
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Do you still think he wants a soft brexit?? Most sources are saying he wants a Canada style deal, which is in line with what he’s said for the last year

I think strategically as well it’s a positive move as it shows we are prepared to leave with no deal, which help us to get a better deal
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
It took us 3½ years to get to this point of negotiating an exit deal Chip, I see no reason as to why the trade negotiations will go any better.
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Not certain, but just as a guess some contributing factors might be:

Led by people committed to Leaving?

Not being hamstrung/paralysed by a HoC full of EU acolytes determined to undermine the UK government' negotiating position?

Oh and of course underpinned by the truism that:

We will not only see movement from the EU unless and until they have to face the prospect of a walk-away (No-Deal) and the political will to use it.

That simple fact was proven when the EU reopened the WA and gave away the golden nugget that was the unfettered backstop. Just think what it can be done when the negotiations are handled by determined professionals and backed up by a stonking majority
 
Chippy_boy said:
The EU said it was non-negotiable, done, finished, the negotiators had gone home, no possibility whatsoever of opening up the WA. But when faced with a man with a threat who looked like he was prepared to use it, they changed their tune.

Of course it wasn't a huge renegotiation but that's not the point. It demonstrates (not that any demonstration should be necessary) that parties make public statements about all sorts of positions which are very far from the truth, but that they may climb down from those positions if forced to do so. And of course they will not if they don't have to.

And this was achieved with Boris with one arm tied behind his back by an idiotic parliament legally removing any "no deal" option.

If he goes into the FTA negotiations on the basis of "we are gone December 31st 2020 come what may", then he will secure the best possible deal. And if he positions us as being prepared to extend or concede on various points, then extension and concession is what we will get. It's negotiation 101, it really is.
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I respect your continued commitment to missionary work - I also have tried for 3 years to explain basics

As you say - it really is negotiation 101 - and if people cannot grasp the basics it surely must be their refusal to and need to deny being wrong - because I cannot accept that people can really be that incapable of understanding such simple things
 
Chippy_boy said:
The EU said it was non-negotiable, done, finished, the negotiators had gone home, no possibility whatsoever of opening up the WA. But when faced with a man with a threat who looked like he was prepared to use it, they changed their tune.

Of course it wasn't a huge renegotiation but that's not the point. It demonstrates (not that any demonstration should be necessary) that parties make public statements about all sorts of positions which are very far from the truth, but that they may climb down from those positions if forced to do so. And of course they will not if they don't have to.

And this was achieved with Boris with one arm tied behind his back by an idiotic parliament legally removing any "no deal" option.

If he goes into the FTA negotiations on the basis of "we are gone December 31st 2020 come what may", then he will secure the best possible deal. And if he positions us as being prepared to extend or concede on various points, then extension and concession is what we will get. It's negotiation 101, it really is.
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It will be very interesting to see how Labour votes when the WA is brought back to Parliament.

If Corbyn has conceded that the Labour position on Brexit was at fault then it just seems incredible that he could still stand there and vote against it.

I'd actually expect them to abstain but no doubt they won't resist the chance to oppose.. (and look like tits once again).
 
inbetween said:
It will be very interesting to see how Labour votes when the WA is brought back to Parliament.

If Corbyn has conceded that the Labour position on Brexit was at fault then it just seems incredible that he could still stand there and vote against it.

I'd actually expect them to abstain but no doubt they won't resist the chance to oppose.. (and look like tits once again).
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Yes, interesting, I hadn't really considered that. A great opportunity to prove to former Labour voters that they were right to abandon Labour :-) I wonder if they will grasp it?
 
And as an aside, I questioned whether Boris would have the numbers to carry legislation to bind us to being fully out by December 31st 2020.

I was wrong to question it: It is an understood and long-standing principle that neither the Commons nor the Lords oppose manifesto commitments of a duly elected government. So it passing through both houses is a done deal.
 
inbetween said:
It will be very interesting to see how Labour votes when the WA is brought back to Parliament.

If Corbyn has conceded that the Labour position on Brexit was at fault then it just seems incredible that he could still stand there and vote against it.

I'd actually expect them to abstain but no doubt they won't resist the chance to oppose.. (and look like tits once again).
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they will oppose it that’s what they do,
 
I know brexit is going to be a great success and we'll all look back in a couple of years and wonder what all the fuss was about so the story linked below is probably irrelevant and in no way a sign of things to come and absolutley not ironic that customers of a certain pub chain with a leave advocating owner are up in arms because of a shortage of christmas delicacies which is because of a shortage of seasonal eu workers who we don't really rely on and anyway brexit hasn't happened yet so it can't be anything to do with that and anyway there's plenty of british people eager to wrap pigs in blankets if only they were given the opportunity. Nothing funny at all about the whinging tweets to whetherspoons about crying children and no lack of insight blah blah. Carry on everyone, this is small fry in the grand scheme of things, it will all be alright

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50821103
 
inbetween said:
It will be very interesting to see how Labour votes when the WA is brought back to Parliament.

If Corbyn has conceded that the Labour position on Brexit was at fault then it just seems incredible that he could still stand there and vote against it.

I'd actually expect them to abstain but no doubt they won't resist the chance to oppose.. (and look like tits once again).
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Surely they have to abstain - even Corbyn could not be that stupid?
 
journolud said:
I know brexit is going to be a great success and we'll all look back in a couple of years and wonder what all the fuss was about so the story linked below is probably irrelevant and in no way a sign of things to come and absolutley not ironic that customers of a certain pub chain with a leave advocating owner are up in arms because of a shortage of christmas delicacies which is because of a shortage of seasonal eu workers who we don't really rely on and anyway brexit hasn't happened yet so it can't be anything to do with that and anyway there's plenty of british people eager to wrap pigs in blankets if only they were given the opportunity. Nothing funny at all about the whinging tweets to whetherspoons about crying children and no lack of insight blah blah. Carry on everyone, this is small fry in the grand scheme of things, it will all be alright

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50821103
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I know ..... in the pub last night with a mate who voted leave. He's self employed running a business which repairs , maintains and installs vehicle lifts (the type you see in garages and repair shops). Looks like it will all be done by the end of January he said.

How will it impact you ? I asked

It wont... he replied.

Where do you get your spare parts from then ? I asked

I've a supplier in the Midlands.... I don't carry any stock , I just order what I need for a job and he delivers was the reply.

But where does he get the stock from ?

Don't know.. he said and goes to his van to look at a part for a job today. Comes back ..... Shit it comes from Germany !

Best phone him tomorrow to see what Brexit preparations your supplier has made.. I said.

They'll be able to sort it though wont they? he responds.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
I know ..... in the pub last night with a mate who voted leave. He's self employed running a business which repairs , maintains and installs vehicle lifts (the type you see in garages and repair shops). Looks like it will all be done by the end of January he said.

How will it impact you ? I asked

It wont... he replied.

Where do you get your spare parts from then ? I asked

I've a supplier in the Midlands.... I don't carry any stock , I just order what I need for a job and he delivers was the reply.

But where does he get the stock from ?

Don't know.. he said and goes to his van to look at a part for a job today. Comes back ..... Shit it comes from Germany !

Best phone him tomorrow to see what Brexit preparations your supplier has made.. I said.

They'll be able to sort it though wont they? he responds.
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Cool story bro.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
I know ..... in the pub last night with a mate who voted leave. He's self employed running a business which repairs , maintains and installs vehicle lifts (the type you see in garages and repair shops). Looks like it will all be done by the end of January he said.

How will it impact you ? I asked

It wont... he replied.

Where do you get your spare parts from then ? I asked

I've a supplier in the Midlands.... I don't carry any stock , I just order what I need for a job and he delivers was the reply.

But where does he get the stock from ?

Don't know.. he said and goes to his van to look at a part for a job today. Comes back ..... Shit it comes from Germany !

Best phone him tomorrow to see what Brexit preparations your supplier has made.. I said.

They'll be able to sort it though wont they? he responds.
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you go out on the piss on a Monday night ?
 
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