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You think differently?
No. I think there will be a deal of sorts but that it will favour the EU. Johnson can not afford a no deal I think and has boxed himself into a corner. He and his sycophants don’t have the energy or competence to deal with no deal. I think we will remain tied to the EU through LPF. There will continue to be a bitterly divided U.K. until either it breaks up or we get a leader of some party capable of uniting it. Either way, economically I can’t see growth being anything other than below average when compared with other developed economies. Our public services will continue to be eroded. As I said, thoroughly depressing.
 
No. I think there will be a deal of sorts but that it will favour the EU. Johnson can not afford a no deal I think and has boxed himself into a corner. He and his sycophants don’t have the energy or competence to deal with no deal. I think we will remain tied to the EU through LPF. There will continue to be a bitterly divided U.K. until either it breaks up or we get a leader of some party capable of uniting it. Either way, economically I can’t see growth being anything other than below average when compared with other developed economies. Our public services will continue to be eroded. As I said, thoroughly depressing.

The only thing I would say is that the EU losing uk is a bigger deal than is made out
Lots of countries in the EU are relatively small with a few major ones
To lose a big player will hit them hard.
Obviously they won’t admit this as it undermines confidence and also their negotiating hand.
It won’t be jumping off edge of a cliff for either party
Can’t see any good leaders for any party coming anytime soon either
 
The only thing I would say is that the EU losing uk is a bigger deal than is made out
Lots of countries in the EU are relatively small with a few major ones
To lose a big player will hit them hard.
Obviously they won’t admit this as it undermines confidence and also their negotiating hand.
It won’t be jumping off edge of a cliff for either party
Can’t see any good leaders for any party coming anytime soon either
It diminishes them for sure. They will have their own major problems to deal with in the next year.
 
Several hundred if not thousand more pages on this thread before we get a true picture of who has been talking bollocks for the last few years.
Hey - I was just making a point about how a number of Remainers have gotten themselves into some 'cult-like' obsession and cannot now develop their thinking as they have too much invested and cannot stand the 'loss of face'

If you cannot - or choose not to - see that, it is entirely on you. I am entirely indifferent to your view.

I occasionally post the reminder about:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

I do this to expose the inconsistency/lack of understanding of Remainers on here about negotiations.

With that threat off the table the EU were able to bring about May's disgustingly biased WA - and of course the sycophants were falling over themselves at Westminster to ensure that threat could never be prepared for or become viable.

But as soon as there was a small chance of it being considered we saw movement from the EU. Nowadays, with a thumping majority and some seeming political will - we see reports continuously about levels of compromise from both sides - why is that? The EU never felt the need under May's stewardship.

It is, IMO, an example where some of the utterly blinkered Remainers simply don't have the character to admit that they may have been wrong - they appear to have fragile egos and have too much invested - apparently their self-esteem cannot take the blow of accepting that they were wrong.

I don't mean all of you guys - just the cult members
 
I suppose pretty much all of that can be justified in terms of the democratic right to discuss / oppose / protest which is of course completely legit. It just seems a shame that the unintended consequence is that 4 years to make preparations has become 6 months. All the people now condemning the govt for a lack of planning / preparation are generally the same ones that have spent four years delighting in the govt having its hands tied by remainers in parliament. Like I said - unintended consequences. The remainers could have had May's BRINO through parliament, but decided to go double or quits thinking they could force revoke / remain. They misread the situation and fucked up.
Spot on that - the Remainers seem unwilling to reap or accept responsibility for the consequences of the actions that they have supported and took delight in.

Oh - how they must pine for those halcyon days when Soubry and Grieve were the cause of their most satisfying moments.
 
It diminishes them for sure. They will have their own major problems to deal with in the next year.

If we’re seen to be successful then other countries will want out as well
So they gotta be careful with what they are seen to be doing
 
We will replace these EU rules and trade deals with...EU rules and trade deals with the option to diverge if we wish and never actually do so because there will be inbuilt tariff and regulatory penalties imposed on us by the EU.

It will forever be a cost and benefit exercise with marginal benefits weighed against real time costs. Or in short. Switzerland.

The important thing to note with Norway and Switzerland is they have very small populations and massive national wealth, they are nothing like us. Being outside the EU gives them a much higher cost of living but as they have a generally affluent population it is accepted. Neither benefit to a great deal for being outside the EU there is nothing you can point t o and say if we could do that it would be good for us. Norway has wealth because of natural resources (oil) and Switzerland is a small country with a very strong history in financial services / Banking and they are still trading of that wealth and reputation as a financial centre.
 
Spot on that - the Remainers seem unwilling to reap or accept responsibility for the consequences of the actions that they have supported and took delight in.

Oh - how they must pine for those halcyon days when Soubry and Grieve were the cause of their most satisfying moments.

Brexiteers had no plan but blame remainers for not accepting whatever half baked measure is most recently up for consideration. There was zero planning for brexit, there is still no workable plan. That can only be the fault of brexiteers. We still don't know where we are going with this and we are fast approaching a year of Johnson as PM. At what point do you accept there is no good way forward?
 
Brexiteers had no plan but blame remainers for not accepting whatever half baked measure is most recently up for consideration. There was zero planning for brexit, there is still no workable plan. That can only be the fault of brexiteers. We still don't know where we are going with this and we are fast approaching a year of Johnson as PM. At what point do you accept there is no good way forward?

This is going to take the 'Blaming the former Government' tactic to a whole new level. The year is 2040, the UK is England and Wales. We eat shit chicken and pay through the nose for healthcare. Standards of living still haven't returned to pre-Brexit levels. Jacob Rees Mogg junior is giving a press conference, explaining how we would have had that milk and honey 10 years ago, were it not for Theresa Mays remainer government.
 
What is it about the UK's handling of Brexit so far that gives you the impression that you may be see to be successful?
Not much to be honnest
But a lot of that is down to remainers determined to make it fail over the last few years
If they accepted the decision and tried to get the best deal and stopped undermining the process it would help
But that will never happen
As a country we seem determined to fail to prove some point
 
Brexiteers had no plan but blame remainers for not accepting whatever half baked measure is most recently up for consideration. There was zero planning for brexit, there is still no workable plan. That can only be the fault of brexiteers. We still don't know where we are going with this and we are fast approaching a year of Johnson as PM. At what point do you accept there is no good way forward?
Zero planning!!!!
Spent 3 years fucking about in parliament before it was even accepted we are leaving as per the result of a referendum
 
Hey - I was just making a point about how a number of Remainers have gotten themselves into some 'cult-like' obsession and cannot now develop their thinking as they have too much invested and cannot stand the 'loss of face'

If you cannot - or choose not to - see that, it is entirely on you. I am entirely indifferent to your view.

I occasionally post the reminder about:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

I do this to expose the inconsistency/lack of understanding of Remainers on here about negotiations.

With that threat off the table the EU were able to bring about May's disgustingly biased WA - and of course the sycophants were falling over themselves at Westminster to ensure that threat could never be prepared for or become viable.

But as soon as there was a small chance of it being considered we saw movement from the EU. Nowadays, with a thumping majority and some seeming political will - we see reports continuously about levels of compromise from both sides - why is that? The EU never felt the need under May's stewardship.

It is, IMO, an example where some of the utterly blinkered Remainers simply don't have the character to admit that they may have been wrong - they appear to have fragile egos and have too much invested - apparently their self-esteem cannot take the blow of accepting that they were wrong.

I don't mean all of you guys - just the cult members

Don’t even have to admit being wrong
Just accept that there are two sides with good and bad things for each.
Dressing it up as everything is bad for us and not for Eu just embeds them deeper into the cult and makes it harder for them to ever leave
 
Zero planning!!!!
Spent 3 years fucking about in parliament before it was even accepted we are leaving as per the result of a referendum
If Leavers had had an oven ready plan it would have got through parliament. Tell me what plan you had - and I'll show you other Remainers here who wanted a different plan (or who didn't think we needed one).
 
If Leavers had had an oven ready plan it would have got through parliament. Tell me what plan you had - and I'll show you other Remainers here who wanted a different plan (or who didn't think we needed one).
You may find a lot of the people preventing it getting through parliament are no longer members of parliament
Wonder why?
 
Don’t even have to admit being wrong
Just accept that there are two sides with good and bad things for each.
Dressing it up as everything is bad for us and not for Eu just embeds them deeper into the cult and makes it harder for them to ever leave
Remainers have no say whatsoever in how hard it is to leave (we've left). Neither have you.
 
Four years on and guess what? Still zero planning. We still haven’t figured out exactly what we signed up to in the Withdrawal Agreement.

Personally I find it bleeding hilarious.

Hilarious !
The vic and bob on here aren’t exactly shooting stars level of comedy double act now are they!
 
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