Another new Brexit thread

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Well this aged well. There is two lines on the Indy ref and refusal to see or investigate anything about Brexit. Frankly anyone thinking that Russia skipped the 2016 referendum but interfered elsewhere is a fucking idiot. Have come to the conclusion we deserve everything coming our way with Brexit. We are not a serious country.

Disgraceful journalism.

...but says no influence on brexit.

What the report actually says:-

There have been widespread public allegations that Russia sought to influence the 2016 referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU. The impact of any such attempts would be difficult – if not impossible – to assess, and we have not sought to do so.

However, it is important to establish whether a hostile state took deliberate action with the aim of influencing a UK democratic process, irrespective of whether it was successful or not.

Conclusion:-

We don't know because no one has made any effort to investigate.

 

[Metal Biker]

The brexit future argument is bollocks. There is no more reason that brexit would be good in future than there is reason that it is a good move now. The only rationale behind this argument is we know that brexit is going to turn to the absolute dog shit in the near term and therefore the long term is all brexiteers will have left.

You don't want it, so you think it's crap and will always think its crap and nobody will convince you otherwise because you didn't want it.

Others DID want it, so think its great, and will always think its great and you cannot convince us otherwise because it's what others wanted.

That is all it boils down to. Where you see negatives, we see positives.

 

[mcfc1632]

The brexit future argument is bollocks. There is no more reason that brexit would be good in future than there is reason that it is a good move now. The only rationale behind this argument is we know that brexit is going to turn to the absolute dog shit in the near term and therefore the long term is all brexiteers will have left.

Please forgive me if I do not find the level of your analysis and the evidence that you present to be compelling

Your opinions, which is of course is all your comments are, are also likely to be viewed with less credibility than those of others due to the many occasions when reality has proven your previously stated opinions to be utterly wrong

 

[west didsblue]

Disgraceful journalism.



What the report actually says:-



Conclusion:-

We don't know because no one has made any effort to investigate.

Don’t let facts get in the way of Brexiter bullshit.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Actually it’s not opinion. It’s based on the changes that will be forthcoming even with a deal. These changes have been published. All that is required is a capacity to read. Also available in Russian if you prefer.

Actually it is, because actually, every single thing you have said would happen,
when the time came for it to happen, it didn't. So when someone from the side
that's never been right yet, says the future will be dog shit, not many of the said shits
are given.
Sorry, but this in in English.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

This is simply yet another opinion, not a fact. Blithely saying 'We know Brexit is
going to be absolute dog shit' does not reinforce that, I could say it's going to
be absolutely fucking marvellous, it's just as valid.

You don't want it, so you think it's crap and will always think its crap and nobody will convince you otherwise because you didn't want it.

Others DID want it, so think its great, and will always think its great and you cannot convince us otherwise because it's what others wanted.

That is all it boils down to. Where you see negatives, we see positives.

Please forgive me if I do not find the level of your analysis and the evidence that you present to be compelling

So predictable that you three would be on here typing endless bollocks today. You've been conned.

 

[blueinsa]

Maybe just maybe Russia did interfere in the brexit campaign and without them, leave would have won by an even bigger margin?

 

[Metal Biker]

So predictable that you three would be on here typing endless bollocks today. You've been conned.

Conned how?

Pretty sure I made my mind up to wanting the UK out of the EU back in 2014. No Russian, Faragy Bargy, Daily Mail or any other brexit phantom you've come to fear influenced my vote.

You want to know what did influence my vote to leave? The EU's actions itself.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I'd love this Dr Galsworthy to tell us how they did it.
In fact, I'd love anyone to.

 

[Ban-jani]

I'm afraid it isn't, despite some on here trying to make it so.

Interference is interference yet many on here are happy to turn a blind eye so long as it suits.

I've said many times we should ban all political ads on social media in the midst of the CA furore but they dont want that.

They just want ads from the opposition banned.

Alleged (no proof given as of yet) Russian leave ads = bad

Soros remain ads = good.

Its difficult to have the conversation with anyone who feels this way.

The Russians will have done well to penetrate their’s through all the ads by Cummings to be fair.

Genius from him to spend all his budget on social media adverts.

 

[Metal Biker]

I'd love this Dr Galsworthy to tell us how they did it.
In fact, I'd love anyone to.

Secret chemicals added to your bowl of Racist-O's in the morning.

 

[grunge]

Conned how?

Pretty sure I made my mind up to wanting the UK out of the EU back in 2014. No Russian, Faragy Bargy, Daily Mail or any other brexit phantom you've come to fear influenced my vote.

You want to know what did influence my vote to leave? The EU's actions itself.

you were never a swing voter. its the swing voters who could feel conned.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Maybe just maybe Russia did interfere in the brexit campaign and without them, leave would have won by an even bigger margin?

It's all totally pointless now, all of this, we're simply talking to people
who just won't accept democracy, we've had god knows how many votes
on elections and referendums, that some folk refuse to accept, simple as.

 

[Metal Biker]

you were never a swing voter. its the swing voters who could feel conned.

Gaudion isn't talking about the "swing voters" though, is he.

He's referring to those who he quoted as being "conned".

 

[Metal Biker]

It's all totally pointless now, all of this, we're simply talking to people
who just won't accept democracy, we've had god knows how many votes
on elections and referendums, that some folk refuse to accept, simple as.

Yep, pretty much.

I mean 4 years of being unable to move on, reminicising over "wen it waz gud" and lashing out at those who they disagree with. They're becoming more like rags as more time passes.

 

[Vic]

This is simply yet another opinion, not a fact. Blithely saying 'We know Brexit is going to be absolute dog shit' does not reinforce that, I could say it's going to
be absolutely fucking marvellous, it's just as valid.

Yet evidence free. We've already spaffed the bus money for the NHS on customs costs. I'm not much bothered about secret Russian influence on the referendum when it was Brits openly lying that swung the vote.

But for the record, there was overt external influence on both sides. Obama, Soros for Remain, pro Brexit and anti-EU stuff on Russian media sites, but it was this bit from the report that I noted:
"In response to our request for written evidence at the outset of the Inquiry (about potential covert influence) MI5 initially provided just six lines..."

Simple summary:
https://news.sky.com/video/russia-r...f-russia-interfered-in-eu-referendum-12033117

 

[grunge]

Gaudion isn't talking about the "swing voters" though, is he.

He's referring to those who he quoted as being "conned".

Fair play, didn't step back in the conversation far enough to see he had named names.

 

[blueinsa]

It's all totally pointless now, all of this, we're simply talking to people
who just won't accept democracy, we've had god knows how many votes
on elections and referendums, that some folk refuse to accept, simple as.

Can you imagine the wailing and tears on school sports day with some of them?

 

[blueinsa]

Secret chemicals added to your bowl of Racist-O's in the morning.

Been on the keto diet for the last 5 weeks so imagine my horror when the wife tried pouring an off white almond milk on my racist-o's!

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It's all totally pointless now, all of this, we're simply talking to people
who just won't accept democracy, we've had god knows how many votes
on elections and referendums, that some folk refuse to accept, simple as.

yeah but the russians, yeah but Gina Miller, yeah but nobody voted for a no deal brexit , yeah but Covid.