I am hoping the virus has died out by December and the economy is in a big upward V.It'll be straightforward enough just to blame any economic bad news on Covid I suppose.
Whatever they believe there is no point engaging any more. I think they know its heading for a shit show. A massive shit show and it's on them. There is no point debating it now. The detail will come out over the next 6 months and the impact will be undeniable.
The art of the deal. "We'll take haggis if you take chlorinated chicken, hormone-reared beef and GM wheat"Just realised. They are banned because it contains sheep lung. Think Truss’s mission just got harder.
It’s a bit more difficult to explain to importers and exporters why Covid means that they will need to fill in loads of additional forms thereby increasing costs, and to explain to manufacturers why Covid has meant that their imported raw materials and components are sat in a lorry park in Kent rather than arriving in time for their production processes.I am hoping the virus has died out by December and the economy is in a big upward V.
It's now in Johnson's interest for that not to happen. I'm not jumping to say it's a strategy but (given who's running Johnson) that will be the only way to avoid the economic damage of Brexit being obvious.
Something that I have believed for 4 years is:Whatever they believe there is no point engaging any more. I think they know its heading for a shit show. A massive shit show and it's on them. There is no point debating it now. The detail will come out over the next 6 months and the impact will be undeniable.
I find it disappointing that no Remainers have ever been able to 'man-up' and just accept the truth that the EU is not totally omnipotent and the UK needs to concede to their every demand
Something that I have believed for 4 years is:
"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”
And the increasing number of reports like this one reaffirm that view:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-demand-in-brexit-talks-sources-idUKKBN24Z1MF
I find it disappointing that no Remainers have ever been able to 'man-up' and just accept the truth that the EU is not totally omnipotent and the UK needs to concede to their every demand..........
You are (well most of you) UK citizens as well and logically should be wanting to hear news that is in the UK's best interests
It's looking more like a deal will be struck, state aid, LPF, appear sorted, I've saidSomething that I have believed for 4 years is:
"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”
And the increasing number of reports like this one reaffirm that view:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-demand-in-brexit-talks-sources-idUKKBN24Z1MF
I find it disappointing that no Remainers have ever been able to 'man-up' and just accept the truth that the EU is not totally omnipotent and the UK needs to concede to their every demand..........
You are (well most of you) UK citizens as well and logically should be wanting to hear news that is in the UK's best interests
Something that I have believed for 4 years is:
"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”
And the increasing number of reports like this one reaffirm that view:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-demand-in-brexit-talks-sources-idUKKBN24Z1MF
I find it disappointing that no Remainers have ever been able to 'man-up' and just accept the truth that the EU is not totally omnipotent and the UK needs to concede to their every demand..........
You are (well most of you) UK citizens as well and logically should be wanting to hear news that is in the UK's best interests
Do you have some kind of royalty every time you use this phrase? Bloody hell mate, we know thats what you said you must have used it 2,000 times."We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”
I, a remainer, accept the truth that the EU is not totally omnipotent and the UK needs to concede to their every demand. There. Feel better?I find it disappointing that no Remainers have ever been able to 'man-up' and just accept the truth that the EU is not totally omnipotent and the UK needs to concede to their every demand..........
Imagine the outrage if the EU had told us to dump our preferred provider of a 5G network.Do you have some kind of royalty every time you use this phrase? Bloody hell mate, we know thats what you said you must have used it 2,000 times.
I, a remainer, accept the truth that the EU is not totally omnipotent and the UK needs to concede to their every demand. There. Feel better?
Re your first point.....
No I do not enjoy a royalty on the phrase and I would point out......
That I only use the phrase when I see further examples of the need to remind Remainers that the EU is not omnipotent and the UK is not some ragtag body that must bow down and accept the EU's every demand. That status is how a good number of Remainers have presented the UK. I will stop using the phrase when Remainers stop doing that - simples
Re your 2nd point - when I make such posts I am not aiming them at you.
Yes - you are a Remainer - but I feel that there is a need for you to accept that, on this forum, you are a somewhat unique Remainer, certainly within a small group, as you demonstrate balance and objectivity. My use of the term 'Remainers' when making posts that bother you normally is accompanied with something like 'Some' or similar.
Therefore I suggest that you are wrong to position yourself as you do in this reply. You frequently jump in with a reply to a post of mine which is aimed at the 'Remain Ultras' who refuse to accept the truth of things.
If I use that term will that satisfy you?
Also - re your 2nd point - I doubt that I have used the phrase 2000 times - but if I have I will likely be a few thousand short of the use of FTZ from Egypt to Greenland that Vic posts. The fact that you have never pulled him up on that in a similar manner, for me, just demonstrates what I see as your inconsistency.
TBF even fantastically run and super successful football clubs get their emails hacked mate.everything they touch turns to fucking shit doesn't it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53642923
I think that you have maybe got lostImagine the outrage if the EU had told us to dump our preferred provider of a 5G network.
Not that I’m advocating for the Chinese company but being told to do it or there is no trade deal (which there probably won’t be anyway) would suggest a loss if sovereignty, which the sovereignty crusaders don’t seem too bothered about.
You don't understand much about negotiations do you?What happens when they face down our walk away option and just let us get on with it? After all ROI have been sorted in part by the WA and beyond that issue it is only France, Holland and Spain out of the 27 that have significant borders and customs operations to deal with. For the rest they will have a smaller budget but not much else to worry about. There is fishing but then fishing is a tiny part of any EU country economy. None of then lose access to anything they have now, they don't have to deal with WTO or set up new regulator regimes etc. It genuinely is not hard for them to let us walk away.
But of course if they do it - it will be there fault that it happened right?
You don't understand much about negotiations do you?
I will make a few points to enlighten you:
1. The EU made no concessions to the UK during the time that the hapless May and Robbins were directing the UK's negotiations - why? - because they did not need to.
The term in which Remainer May was compromising resulted in the undermining of the UK with with the WA she tried to get the UK committed to. So Remainers were/are responsible for the UK being in a worst position in negotiations than we were in 2016
2. Since the change of management and approach the EU have had to adapt their approach. Indeed, they have not faced down the prospect of a walk-away option - they have instead made compromises and accommodations since last winter. Giving up the poisonous unfettered backstop was a major concession - although one that would not have been necessary had we been not previously led by Remainers.
This simple fact should allow even the 'ultra-Remainers' to accept the truth of the benefit that having the No-Deal option has provided to the UK negotiating team and therefore the UK. Strangely, no on here it seems.
3. With the UK having used the threat of No-Deal we have been able to strip away all the bonuses that May gave to the EU and eventually we will get to their real 'red-lines'. And don't simply forget all the bollocks posted by Remainers on here about what those red-lines were/are and how the EU would never move.
Hardly a day goes by without further EU concessions and now it seems the absolutely sacrosanct LPF conditions are not quite so sacrosanct after all - and so on. The UK are not there yet - but at least the EU are stripping away their previously stated red-lines and heading towards reality. Remainers on here have been so far up Barnier's arse it has been sickening but when - in pretty short order - Frost takes control and reverses so many of the EU gains there is not a murmur of satisfaction. What is it about positives for the UK that is such an anathema to the Remainers?
4. Should the EU's real red-lines - when we get to them - allow for a deal to be made then that will be good for both sides, but should they still require inappropriate concessions from the UK then the outcome should be a no-deal.
That is just simple because the only thing that May ever got right was that No-Deal is indeed better than a Bad-Deal.