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dave_blue12 said:
The law can really be an inconvenient obstacle eh ?

You would expect our Home Office to know the law but as we have seen on many occasions our current Government care little for the rule of law.

I'm wondering what that makes them and their supporters ?

I'll leave you to ponder that one.
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You would indeed expect that.
Exactly which countries have they been sent back to? Give us a list of them,
then tell us where the home office is breaking the law. Another point is, as the Home Office state,we will no longer be bound by their laws, which were absorbed into British Law by the charmer that was Blair, as EU laws are irrelevant here, just like they are everywhere else in the world.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
What lies?
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the "activist" lawyers referred to are just lawyers.
They don't make any decisions on asylum, Judges, courts do.

You wouldn't know either from that Home Office reworking of the opening scenes of Dad's Army. In any event after midnight 31/12 we won't be repatriating anyone anywhere
 
Ancient Citizen said:
What lies?
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Its always got to be brexit 'lies'. The alternative is to accept that people disagree with what you think. Some of the really mad stuff seems only really to have gained an audience from Remainers looking for reasons the majority of the population were fooled into not agreeing with them and of course the extreme right wing. Meanwhile the 99% of the population that are blissfully unaware of any of it voted for Brexit.
 
bluethrunthru said:
the "activist" lawyers referred to are just lawyers.
They don't make any decisions on asylum, Judges, courts do.

You wouldn't know either from that Home Office reworking of the opening scenes of Dad's Army. In any event after midnight 31/12 we won't be repatriating anyone anywhere
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Oh, I think we will, in fact I'm pretty sure we will, and yet again, you'll be wrong.
Which countries have the Home Office deported them to, and why shouldn't they be?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Oh, I think we will, in fact I'm pretty sure we will, and yet again, you'll be wrong.
Which countries have the Home Office deported them to, and why shouldn't they be?
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You have lots of research to do my friend. See what the Dublin agreement is and does - see UK Caselaw - see the Human Rights Act and the international agreements on refugee's and asylum seekers - these are the repatriation happy times - a bleak winter is to come
 
bluethrunthru said:
You have lots of research to do my friend. See what the Dublin agreement is and does - see UK Caselaw - see the Human Rights Act and the international agreements on refugee's and asylum seekers - these are the repatriation happy times - a bleak winter is to come
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I need to do no research about either, I know their contents. Recent immigrants have arrived from a myriad of countries, where have the Home Office deported them to? The silly cow who sent that tweet has assumed they have been sent back to places that conflict with the jurisdiction of the HRA. The home office will not be accepting EU laws, end of, and future removals will increase.
I've no doubt a bleak winter will come, but this won't make it bleaker, that's pure fabrication.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I need to do no research about either, I know their contents. Recent immigrants have arrived from a myriad of countries, where have the Home Office deported them to? The silly cow who sent that tweet has assumed they have been sent back to places that conflict with the jurisdiction of the HRA. The home office will not be accepting EU laws, end of, and future removals will increase.
I've no doubt a bleak winter will come, but this won't make it bleaker, that's pure fabrication.
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Only if there is agreement with France and other EU countries to facilitate their removal as currently exists under the Dublin Agreement which establishes a Europe-wide fingerprinting database for unauthorised entrants to the EU. The Dublin Regulation aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim] and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State.

Current agreements and arrangements lapses on 31st Dec. We will also be excluded from accessing the EU database to establish from which EU country they travelled from and/or which EU state has primary responsibility.

If we do not reach agreement with the EU countries then returning asylum seekers will be next to impossible. To remove people you need the consent of the country you are sending them to.
 
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jaseirai said:
This may help you get to grips with how a currency valuation affects competitiveness

www.gov.uk

2019 was record-breaking year for UK exports

UK exports at an all time high, with goods exports to non-EU countries growing by 13.6% on 2018
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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I'd obviously not kept up to date. Last time I looked the devalued pound had not made much difference. The 13% figure is a bit misleading as the overall increase was 5% (after taking account of lower exports to the EU) and I'm still struggling to pin down whether it's goods or services going well. The bigger problem may be that (despite higher costs because of sterling's value) imports have gone up as well so the trade balance is still widening. This year's disruption will obviously skew figures and generally one would expect that supply chains crossing borders may seem less attractive than finding locally-resourced stuff.
 
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I'd obviously not kept up to date. Last time I looked the devalued pound had not made much difference. The 13% figure is a bit misleading as the overall increase was 5% (after taking account of lower exports to the EU) and I'm still struggling to pin down whether it's goods or services going well. The bigger problem may be that (despite higher costs because of sterling's value) imports have gone up as well so the trade balance is still widening. This year's disruption will obviously skew figures and generally one would expect that supply chains crossing borders may seem less attractive than finding locally-resourced stuff.
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Try Blake's work I posted yesterday in a reply to Bob. The 15 minutes it took to remember where I'd read it might not have been wasted.
 
bluethrunthru said:
You have lots of research to do my friend. See what the Dublin agreement is and does - see UK Caselaw - see the Human Rights Act and the international agreements on refugee's and asylum seekers - these are the repatriation happy times - a bleak winter is to come
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Exactly. Eu membership helps more than it hinders on dealing with Asylum seekers. Most of the laws that protect their rights are international laws and the fact that you cant repatriate someone to a country you have no or minimal diplomatic relations with. And there is no such thing as an activist lawyer. There is a right to a fair trial and that includes having a legal representation - if you don't think asylum seekers deserve a fair trial or that we shouldnt follow international law then that is a different argument. Blaming 'activist lawyers' is pure BS.
 
Govt track record on implementing IT systems gives everyone cause for optimism :)

‘So less than 90 working days before it's due to launch, and more than 4 years on from the Brexit referendum, HMRC is at the research and design phase of a key post-Brexit customs IT system.‘

www.bloomberg.com

U.K. Starts Research on Brexit Customs System Due in Four Months

The British government has started to conduct research on its new post-Brexit customs IT system, with four months left before the service is due to go live.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
 
Japan PM resigning because of ill health, may impact any UK/Japan deal. State of play from Dave Henig (trade guy)...

‘Japan in the balance, other EU deals to which we're currently a party but seem unlikely to be rolled over include with Mexico, Canada, Singapore and Vietnam. Trade with Turkey, Switzerland, and Norway will all be on worse terms than now.’
 
Gaudion M said:
Exactly. Eu membership helps more than it hinders on dealing with Asylum seekers. Most of the laws that protect their rights are international laws and the fact that you cant repatriate someone to a country you have no or minimal diplomatic relations with. And there is no such thing as an activist lawyer. There is a right to a fair trial and that includes having a legal representation - if you don't think asylum seekers deserve a fair trial or that we shouldnt follow international law then that is a different argument. Blaming 'activist lawyers' is pure BS.
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Looks like thats what they're aiming for



Little England now turns its back on International law.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Looks like thats what they're aiming for



Little England now turns its back on International law.
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To be honest I think there are massive issues with international law but to deal with them you have to be honest about the issue. If the tories want to change international law fine (but easier said than done), ignoring it is not fine as that is a an open invitation for rouge states / potential rogue states to do what they please.

Tories are shits and they will be dishonest about what they are doing and blame everyone but themselves for not dealing with the reality of a very complex situation (that has practically nothing to do with the EU). Its blatant populist bollocks.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Just look at the video recently put up - legions of people complaining about immigration. They weren't defining any difference between EU and non EU immigration - they, like the likes of UKIP, were just lumping all immigration together and wanting - nay expecting - it all to be stopped completely simply by dint of putting an X in a box. Dancing on the head of a pin dividing where immigrants come from to justify your point is ineffective in the face of the truth.
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bluethrunthru said:
the specific Guardian video has been seen over 81k times, the anti Islamist rant 36k times - its your own fault if you choose not to research anything that continue to offer your flawed opinion on.
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Well quite a good number will be desperate Remainers like you;-)
 
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