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west didsblue said:
I wouldn’t go as far as calling it Norway’s leading party. It’s got 2 seats in their parliament.

Unsurprisingly its ideology is economic nationalism and hard Euro scepticism.
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I did a bit of digging myself, they’ve overtaken the two main political parties of left and right in the polls which is apparently “causing a shockwave” in Norwegian politics.

When you say they’re economically nationalist, that’s a left wing economic policy, let’s be clear.

They’re a bit more like Labour Leave, than Farage.
 
Ban-jani said:
I did a bit of digging myself, they’ve overtaken the two main political parties of left and right in the polls which is apparently “causing a shockwave” in Norwegian politics.

When you say they’re economically nationalist, that’s a left wing economic policy, let’s be clear.

They’re a bit more like Labour Leave, than Farage.
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Yes they are ahead in one recent poll after about 100 others this year where they’ve slowly caught up with the two main parties, and yes they’re very Lexit. I still wouldn’t call them Norway’s leading party. It would be like calling the Brexit Party Britain’s leading party based on a single poll just before the Euro elections.

I’ll take it all back if they win the election!
 
Ban-jani said:
I did a bit of digging myself, they’ve overtaken the two main political parties of left and right in the polls which is apparently “causing a shockwave” in Norwegian politics.

When you say they’re economically nationalist, that’s a left wing economic policy, let’s be clear.

They’re a bit more like Labour Leave, than Farage.
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Yep, very wealthy country - sort of like Scotland would have been if it was independent in 1970 and used it's oil to create a sovereign wealth fund instead of it veins used to buy gambling chips for the casino at canary wharf.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yep, very wealthy country - sort of like Scotland would have been if it was independent in 1970 and used it's oil to create a sovereign wealth fund instead of it veins used to buy gambling chips for the casino at canary wharf.
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The oil would end up being English in that scenario regardless, unless you think they could channel the spirit of Bannockburn in a pitiful attempt to keep it.

Then they'd just spend it on deep fried mars bars, kilts, repealing human rights and heroin.
 
Gaudion M said:
Delusional. The EU have given away nothing. We are fully committed to EU trade rules. The no deal threat achieved nothing. This deal could have been done by May 2 years ago - the reason it wasn't was Johnson and the ERG would not have supported it. We are rule takers.
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Now - that is a) delusional and b) wholly wrong - do you not remember the PD?
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
The oil would end up being English in that scenario regardless, unless you think they could channel the spirit of Bannockburn in a pitiful attempt to keep it.

Then they'd just spend it on deep fried mars bars, kilts, repealing human rights and heroin.
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Why would the oil in the waters of an independent country be allowed to be taken by the English?
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
The oil would end up being English in that scenario regardless, unless you think they could channel the spirit of Bannockburn in a pitiful attempt to keep it.

Then they'd just spend it on deep fried mars bars, kilts, repealing human rights and heroin.
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England would steal the oil?
 
west didsblue said:
Who said it’s bad?
It’s just not as Brexity as you lot have been insisting for 4 years that you wanted. Now you’re all pretending it’s all you ever wanted. Funny as fuck.
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Lol, it's funny alright, each and every doom scenario gone the same way
as all the others, a FTA that was absolutely impossible, and no ECJ oversight. but it's not apparently as Brexity as we want.
I'm loving this heart wrenching concern for our disappointment.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Winner winner chicken dinner! A compromise that we can all live with. Brexiteers can claim we've left, and Remainers can congratulate themselves that they have also prevailed. This is the greatest negotiating achievement in terms of solving the unsolvable and bringing a nation together since the GFA. At last we can all celebrate together at midnight on the 31st. :-)
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We can! Just remember though, these celebrations must be endured with a downcast expression, if you show too much joy, you're spoiling it for the others.
 
west didsblue said:
I regularly point out hypocrisy. Why should I ignore it?

I’ve also read their stance and disagree with your understanding entirely. As we aren’t going to agree on this and I don’t have the inclination to go trawling for quotes to prove my point I’ll leave you to it.
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Trawl mine if you like, out of the SM, CU and ECJ was always Brexity enough for me, throw in a FTA, and freedom to strike deals worldwide free of EU regulation and that'll do nicely.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Trawl mine if you like, out of the SM, CU and ECJ was always Brexity enough for me, throw in a FTA, and freedom to strike deals worldwide free of EU regulation and that'll do nicely.
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They could trawl mine as well - they will keep finding this message:

"I certainly hope that there is a deal - but a deal that is appropriate to the UK having left the EU - like they have with other countries..."

This 'not Brexity enough' narrative that some seek to establish is a particularly weak attempt at revisionism by those just too sour to admit that a good outcome for the UK - and one which completely trashes their doom and gloom projections of 4 years - has been achieved.

Anyway, more interesting than that nonsense - I found this balanced POV from Scotland more interesting to read:

Brexit: Why Boris Johnson's trade deal with the EU is a boost to the Union and a blow to the SNP – Murdo Fraser MSP | The Scotsman
 
smudgedj said:
The UK's deal with Europe is better than ours,' says Norway's leading party

https://www.thelocal.no/20201229/norways-centre-party-the-british-have-a-better-deal-than-the-eea

referéndum inbound
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I found this summary of the deal to be more articulate than a lot of the denial you read on here - maybe it concurs with Norway's assessment and explains their need for 'consideration':

Robert Buckland: Brexit negotiation netted biggest trade and co-operation deal in world | This Is Wiltshire

"At 11pm on 31st December, we will take back control of our trade policy and leave the EU customs union and single market. We will take back control of our waters, with this treaty affirming British sovereignty over our vast marine wealth. We will take back control of our money by ending vast payments to the EU. We will take back control of our borders and will introduce our new points-based immigration system at the start of next year. Most importantly, the agreement provides for the UK to take back control of our laws, affording no role for EU law and no jurisdiction for the European Court of Justice.

This ambitious agreement is the first the EU has ever reached allowing zero tariffs and zero quotas. We will preserve the immense benefits of free trade for millions of people in the UK and across Europe. This deal also includes a commitment to maintaining high labour, environment and climate standards without giving the EU any say over our rules.

Many people said this deal could not be done or was impossible in the time available. This government has proved those views wrong. We have agreed the biggest trade and co-operation deal in the world, on a huge range of issues relevant to everyone in our country, in record time and in hugely challenging conditions."
 
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