Another new Brexit thread

[Ancient Citizen]

That's my feeling on it too. Draw a line, we're still trading, we're still in conference with Europe, just not tied to it. We're no longer married, we're "seeing other people".

True, as long as this relationship is managed correctly.
Never shag the Ex.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Yeah, that was great, the after show party with those strippers was ace.

Yeah, Twin Cheeks

To the Regiment....

 

[Ancient Citizen]

going to the pub

Of all the trauma and grief we've suffered this joy now seems a fond memory.
As soon as they open, and we can go in and order a drink without having to
put away a full Sunday roast between pints, or sit down shouting at your mates
15 yards away, I'll be there kicking, biting and scratching my way to the bar.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

But what's better than we had, you never did get back with things in everyday life that are a little better. My things that are a little worse than we already had list is looking very one sided.

What's immediately better is we're no longer subservient to a foreign court,
I know some were happy that we were, but most are not. Deals we have struck/are striking, have been negotiated with the UK's interests at heart, not
the interests of a large group of disparate countries and economies, all the concentration is now based on that fact. We now no longer pay billions to trade with anyone, including the EU.
Other benefits are not yet quantifiable, as we only leave tomorrow.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I would say being outside the SM, CU and ECJ as having jack shit, not some sort of prize handed out by them.

We’ve got a Canada style FTA as long as we retain a LPF, and if we don’t tariffs are introduced. Yes we’ve got jack shit from the EU and we’re giving them nearly as many of our fish as they’ve always had. We’re also paying for access to programs we want to stay part of.

Looking forward to the new trade deals that aren’t inferior rollovers like Japan. Are any in the pipeline?

Your first sentence, well I understand that.
On fishing we have the benefit of our existing quota now being subsidised by up to 25% of EU catches over 5 years, after that we then have control of 66%
of waters, and as has been rightly pointed out, our fleet at present could not fish all of it. This industry is also receiving over £100 million to address this point.
I've not, and I very much doubt anyone has, scrutinised each and every finalised deal, some may have rolled over, which is fine if all facets are
beneficial, some may have been, but had a few tweaks, others may be quite
different.
All in all, Honky Dory.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

did you discuss the eu that day with your cousin when you first went to Maine road ?

Lol!
Not much, I was too hyped up after tear arsing through Cheshire and Manchester in his Triumph Spitfire, he was/is a brilliant driver.
He was a proper handsome fucker too, he was chatting up a couple of City girls whilst I was entranced watching the match, I thought he may have told
me to piss off after it, so he could dive in there, lol.
Memories, memories.

 

[blueparrot]

What's immediately better is we're no longer subservient to a foreign court,
I know some were happy that we were, but most are not. Deals we have struck/are striking, have been negotiated with the UK's interests at heart, not
the interests of a large group of disparate countries and economies, all the concentration is now based on that fact. We now no longer pay billions to trade with anyone, including the EU.
Other benefits are not yet quantifiable, as we only leave tomorrow.

No I know the arguments about the big ideals and stuff, and we'll never agree on them, I wanted the things you didn't S.M, freedom of movement, I'd have been all for Schengen,Erasamus, I wasn't even completely against the principle of joining the Euro. There will be no meeting of minds on that stuff. The little hardships or difficulties thgings that are just a bit worse are probably worth it to you and some others for losing those things, that's fine.
I'm talking about things in our everyday normal life, the little things that make the small businessman think oh that's easier, that's better, that will save me some time or money. or the familly in their everyday life. The tiny things that I might need to do in the coming year(S) that's just better or easier. There must be some everyday things you think will be better.

 

[mcfc1632]

The sendings offs , well with Tiago I sort of took it as red. It’s the disallowed goal I still get cross about

Off topic I know - but was this the game at Highbury where we lost 5 or 6-0?

I remember seeing from behind the goal Danny running after Henry and he went down like a sack of spuds and off Danny went - I am sure that if VAR had been about then......

That game left me really frustrated - we were well in it until the ref obliged

 

[mcfc1632]

Quite easily struck? The revisionism here is breathtaking, we did not cave,
Macron was insisting on complete access to waters up until the death, and what, exactly, is in the detail that hasn't been scrutinised?
Despite years of being told we'd get Jack shit from the EU, we're now out the SM, CU and ECJ, we have a free trade deal, and can now strike deals wherever, and with whoever we like, all of which was not possible before.

People keep failing to understanding the fishing issue

Macron got a win for his election campaign and the UK got an acceptable deal - yet what have we lost?

Nothing really - instead we have the opportunity to squeeze that lemon again in 5 years

 

[Saddleworth2]

It is but it’s consigned to the Internet and the odd talk show.

90% of the public couldn’t care less I don’t think.

Let’s just pluck an example out... Lawrence Fox, I mentioned him in a group chat and nobody knew who he was.

I think we, on this forum, and those on Twitter, think we’re on the pulse of the nation, when in reality people are just thinking about work, going to the pub (when they’re open) or whether they need dog food from the shop.

Isn't that part of the problem though? If folk thought even a little more about politics maybe we would have a better standard of politics. I sometimes think we deserve what we get through national apathy.

 

[Ban-jani]

Isn't that part of the problem though? If folk thought even a little more about politics maybe we would have a better standard of politics. I sometimes think we deserve what we get through national apathy.

Yeah maybe you’re right but I wouldn’t want to live in a country that was obsessed with politics and there were constantly causes that were either left or right wing.

I’d like your average person to pay a bit more attention and be a bit more informed but not to a point of everyone constantly talking politics.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Yeah maybe you’re right but I wouldn’t want to live in a country that was obsessed with politics and there were constantly causes that were either left or right wing.

I’d like your average person to pay a bit more attention and be a bit more informed but not to a point of everyone constantly talking politics.

I'd like the electorate to at least know enough to determine when they are being lied to. That would be a nice start and hardly obsessive.

 

[Vic]

Quite easily struck? The revisionism here is breathtaking, we did not cave,
Macron was insisting on complete access to waters up until the death, and what, exactly, is in the detail that hasn't been scrutinised?
Despite years of being told we'd get Jack shit from the EU, we're now out the SM, CU and ECJ, we have a free trade deal, and can now strike deals wherever, and with whoever we like, all of which was not possible before.

Is anyone who hasn't got a deal with the EU rushing to sign a deal with us before they do a deal with the EU?

 

[Vic]

Why, what are we discussing now with the EU, and why is it going to take years?

Everything that's not in this deal. It need not take years, but we are (e.g.) negotiating for the GHIC, and why would you not want to cooperate on making journeys to the EU as straightforward as they are today but won't be tomorrow?

(When I say "you" I'm meaning most people, not those who think being delayed en route is an excellent proof of our sovereignty.)

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

“So long, and thanks for all the fish. “

 

[Vic]

What's immediately better is we're no longer subservient to a foreign court,
I know some were happy that we were, but most are not. Deals we have struck/are striking, have been negotiated with the UK's interests at heart, not
the interests of a large group of disparate countries and economies, all the concentration is now based on that fact. We now no longer pay billions to trade with anyone, including the EU.
Other benefits are not yet quantifiable, as we only leave tomorrow.

"Foreign court"? Like the WTO, the war crimes commission, any court arbitrating on any trade deal we now sign? It's not the British Empire as judge and jury in it's own cause - this is the real world.

We paid billions to avoid businesses paying billions. And that is quantifiable, at least in part. Two billion a year on extra customs officers (plus the cost to firms).

Do you really not know this or are you wumming?

 

[BobKowalski]

Some of that is pretty old stuff regarding Mays tenure. Most of the mistakes were made early doors which made it difficult to recover from. The failure to include financial services in the agreement seems to be the biggest contemporary issue. i haven’t seen any impact analysis for what that means for the city. Have you?

Not especially, I think a lot will hinge on the equivalency discussions with the EU next year. EU regulators were demanding more information from City institutions before even sitting down to discuss equivalency and market access to Europe.

Like everyone else, UK businesses will be jumping through administrative hoops in order to get the market access they need. FT running with a Seafood business that now has to pay £95 per consignment as well the additional paperwork. Replicate that up and down the country and you realise we are still ‘paying’ for Single Market access, it’s just that the payment now falls on individual businesses rather than the Govt.

There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[Vic]

People keep failing to understanding the fishing issue

Macron got a win for his election campaign and the UK got an acceptable deal - yet what have we lost?

Nothing really - instead we have the opportunity to squeeze that lemon again in 5 years

Two weeks ago we were talking about sending gunboats to the 200 mile limit. Having failed to keep EU boats out as a negotiating tactic this time, that's supposedly a good thing because we can use the same tactic again. By your lights, the lemon should have been independent coastal state marmalade by now.

 

[BobKowalski]

People keep failing to understanding the fishing issue

Macron got a win for his election campaign and the UK got an acceptable deal - yet what have we lost?

Nothing really - instead we have the opportunity to squeeze that lemon again in 5 years

Especially, it seems, UK fishermen.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Two weeks ago we were talking about sending gunboats to the 200 mile limit. Having failed to keep EU boats out as a negotiating tactic this time, that's supposedly a good thing because we can use the same tactic again. By your lights, the lemon should have been independent coastal state marmalade by now.

Especially, it seems, UK fishermen.

Morning gents, how are you two today? Late start for me as I had a few drinks last night and feel a bit shabby. Did the Lords vote that deal through?