Another Shiekh buys a stake........

[Regular Joe]

If it was Everton ( I'm not saying it is and doubt it also ) and they suddenly acquired spending money , do you think they have a better existing foundation than City , and would come to fruition much sooner regarding success ?

Not really. Everton are well coached and have good team spirit but the squad isn't deep enough. There would be a squad building period, and we're 12 months further down that line than you. I'm of the opinion that City's squad could be competitive at the very top this season, although not many share my optimism on that. No reason why Everton couldn't be up there pretty soon though with a big wedge of cash.

 

[Regular Joe]

Unfortunately for you I reckon it is just Portsmouth

Al Fahim has already made clear that the new mystery 60% owner is nothing to do with his Pompey takeover. Everton are the strong favourite for me, but West Ham are possible too.

 

[bizzbo]

If it was Everton ( I'm not saying it is and doubt it also ) and they suddenly acquired spending money , do you think they have a better existing foundation than City , and would come to fruition much sooner regarding success ?

depends. for one thing, it takes time to be taken seriously in the market, as we've found out. the abramovich model was to spend spend spend on anyone, and he took huge hits on a large number of players. he could do that because it was his plaything. no investor with half a brain would throw their money away just to accelerate the process by a year. buying and selling a huge amount of players would involve dismantling the team you've already got, so where does that leave the team spirit. even just adding a few highly paid individuals to the team can be bad for team spirit, as we've kind of found out.

 

[ToffeeAndy]

If it was Everton ( I'm not saying it is and doubt it also ) and they suddenly acquired spending money , do you think they have a better existing foundation than City , and would come to fruition much sooner regarding success ?

I think so. We've already got a team that finishes in the top 6 consistently, all we need is a smattering of world class talent and some more squad depth and we'd be in a great position to seriously challenge the top 4 and win our 1st piece of silverware in donkeys years.

City are about one or 2 years behind us at the mo in terms of team building and stability, although with their spending power that could change very quickly if they buy well and we dont get investment.

Off the field they are about 3 years ahead of us with the stadium issue, so their "brand" is probably ahead of ours by a fair bit and would help them attract a certain caliber of player.

I think the most interesting thing would be to see how both teams approached being rich if we did get investment. I think Hughes is doing his best to bring in the right type of players rather then superstars, however the board will want results and I wouldn't be surprised to see him get the axe if City are mid table come Xmas. I think we'd see a new manager and a lot of huge profile signings the following summer very much in the style of Abramovic at Chelsea if this happened.

Everton on the other hand would probs continue to build slowly and buy very talented young hungry players. I could never see Moyes splashing out £30m on Eto'o or a player like him.

 

[mancboy123]

So in that respect ur damned if you do damned if you dont. if Moyes aint willing to spend the money you kind of put yourself in arsenal position, they have got pots of money that wenger just will not spend. So for the team i think it would do some good but not major good.

However where it could help is the stadium and expansion issues. Although its not clear how rich this guy is to be fair.

 

[Braggster]

Everton have a much more settled and established team than we had, so on the face of it, they would find it easier to have success more quickly. And unsurprisingly, the Everton fans on here have taken that line.

However, that overlooks the fact that it's not as simple as all that to suddenly change approach with regard to team-building. Everton have been built on a tight budget, with a style of player, play and wage structure to match. You can't suddenly bolt on massive investment to that without causing the kind of disruptive problems that plagued our season.

For example, Everton have great togetherness, but what if they brought in a big name player (or 2, or 3) on big wages? That would cause problems, particularly if said player didn't always put a shift in. I am far from convinced that spending, say, £50m+ this summer would result in Everton doing better...it may, it may not. As our toffee friends have pointed out, spending is no guarantee of success. Say they spent that money, and halfway through the season, were no better off? How would the investors, media, fans react? Would Moyes be under too much pressure? Would the investors seek to dictate transfer policy, or suggest to Moyes that he sign certain types of player? There are lots of unknowns. We have seen the difficulties that can arise, and we are lucky to have very patient and sensible owners who aren't trigger happy.

Add to that the fact that, in my opinion, Everton would have to look to upgrade a number of positions and possibly revamp their style to break into the top 4, and it starts to look tougher than you would think. You start to destroy the togetherness and stability that is the basis of their success. I don't mean that Everton don't play good football, by the way, but certainly they operate at close to 100% capacity and to have success on the big stage I think would require a change in approach. We have already started down that painful road so in a sense, we have a stolen a march on them.

I am sure Moyes would be well capable of leading them to success, but it would not be as easy or quick as you might imagine.

 

[kp789]

liverpool?

 

[ToffeeAndy]

Everton have a much more settled and established team than we had, so on the face of it, they would find it easier to have success more quickly. And unsurprisingly, the Everton fans on here have taken that line.

However, that overlooks the fact that it's not as simple as all that to suddenly change approach with regard to team-building. Everton have been built on a tight budget, with a style of player, play and wage structure to match. You can't suddenly bolt on massive investment to that without causing the kind of disruptive problems that plagued our season.

For example, Everton have great togetherness, but what if they brought in a big name player (or 2, or 3) on big wages? That would cause problems, particularly if said player didn't always put a shift in. I am far from convinced that spending, say, £50m+ this summer would result in Everton doing better...it may, it may not. As our toffee friends have pointed out, spending is no guarantee of success. Say they spent that money, and halfway through the season, were no better off? How would the investors, media, fans react? Would Moyes be under too much pressure? Would the investors seek to dictate transfer policy, or suggest to Moyes that he sign certain types of player? There are lots of unknowns. We have seen the difficulties that can arise, and we are lucky to have very patient and sensible owners who aren't trigger happy.

Add to that the fact that, in my opinion, Everton would have to look to upgrade a number of positions and possibly revamp their style to break into the top 4, and it starts to look tougher than you would think. You start to destroy the togetherness and stability that is the basis of their success. I don't mean that Everton don't play good football, by the way, but certainly they operate at close to 100% capacity and to have success on the big stage I think would require a change in approach. We have already started down that painful road so in a sense, we have a stolen a march on them.

I am sure Moyes would be well capable of leading them to success, but it would not be as easy or quick as you might imagine.

I think we'd probs continue in the same vein to be honest. Buy young promising players, but maybe ones who can deliver now as well as in the future. We've had a long protracted pursuit of Moutinho who is 22, captain of Sporting Lisbon and and ideal signing if we came in to money.

Moyes wouldn't buy a player who would cause unrest in the team, he does extensive research on the players and makes sure they'll fit. Ok bar one or two low priced gambles that is... when he's spent money he's generally bought in a player with a specific mentality.

I couldn't see us spending £50m even if the money was there really, Moyes would always just buy 2 or 3 players, two would be a definate starters and the other a really promising youngster.

Dont think the board would dictate transfers, Bill Kenwright would stay on the board to ensure the stability and vision thats got us where we are continues. If the Sheik did do this then Moyes would walk anyway... that would be almost as bad a situation as not getting any backing in my eyes.

I understand what your saying tho and think your points were well worded and thought out. I reckon even with massive investment it would take 5 years at least to build a team capable of challenging for the title. "The next level" for us realistically (with investment) is to regularly finish in the top 4 and pick up some silverware in the cups.

 

[Darker shade of Blue]

Some interesting answers .
When we analyze the difficulties Everton might face , it's not hard to view City as having similar ones . This is why it's important for City fans and their owners to be realistic in their immidiate ambition , thus giving Hughes the chance to build , and build upon .
Expecting overnight success becomes more impractical when you look at it from another teams perspective .

 

[binzy m.cf.c]

WRONG.... WRONG ..WRONG.... It's Newcastle, oh wait their not in it anymore are they ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aaaahhhhh