Anthony Taylor appointed ref for Chelsea

The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I know it's not a popular view, but some of the facts around penalties do suggest a slight difference. Since 10/11 we've been awarded 46 penalties and conceded 15. As a completely meaningless statistic, that puts us 31 in credit. Chelsea are on 23 (41/18), rags are on 16 (35/19), Liverpool on 13 (39/26), Spurs on 5 (29/24) and Arsenal on minus 2 (27/29). So, looking purely at penalties awarded for and against, it doesn't look like we suffer overly much.
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I have posted these stats before. If you were an Arsenal fan who play a similar type of posession based football to ourselves you would no doubt feel pretty aggrieved by those stats. What is interesting they are one of the old sky four that th FA and refs are colluding to influence games for, according to this forum. Hardly doing a good job are they.

If refs are purposely trying to collude against us awarding us the most penalties is not the best tactic as along with sending offs these are the key decisions which influence football matches.

Apparently we should have had 8 penalties in the last three games, has that ever happened in the history of football?

On a side note I thought the ref was excellent yesterday.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I would agree with that but, on that basis, the Arsenal stat looks incredible.
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They do look incredible especially to be a negative when you consider the posession they have and the type of technically gifted players they have in the midfield positions.

Is there a bias? No I dont think so. Football does throw up these anomalies.
 
Think I read somewhere that Taylor has a season ticket at Altrincham so he can't possibly be a rag. What I'd like to know is why does he have a season ticket when he's working elsewhere most Saturdays? Not seen any pictures of him at Alty games either. Stinks.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I know it's not a popular view, but some of the facts around penalties do suggest a slight difference. Since 10/11 we've been awarded 46 penalties and conceded 15. As a completely meaningless statistic, that puts us 31 in credit. Chelsea are on 23 (41/18), rags are on 16 (35/19), Liverpool on 13 (39/26), Spurs on 5 (29/24) and Arsenal on minus 2 (27/29). So, looking purely at penalties awarded for and against, it doesn't look like we suffer overly much.
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But when do we get the pens, TLWYS? We concede them at the most opportune moment for the opposition - The War of Sterling's Back or the Spurs match to give it's fixture name. All of a sudden Spurs are awarded the Christmas and Birthday gift in one. Don't know whether it was 'Arry's birthday or what, but a gratuitous pen that knocked the stuffing sideways, and from that point it was obvious that the swindling shite Crapps was never gonna ref according to the written laws of the game. When we get a pen? No dives as far as I can see and they were not particularly instrumental at delivering the three points. More often than not we had goals to spare.
 
JPAMCR said:
Think I read somewhere that Taylor has a season ticket at Altrincham so he can't possibly be a rag. What I'd like to know is why does he have a season ticket when he's working elsewhere most Saturdays? Not seen any pictures of him at Alty games either. Stinks.
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The word 'smokescreen' comes to mind, JPAMCR! For the small price of an Alty ST he gets to ref Gtr. M/Cr games, the chance to take the big derbies, hone his craft(!) with his paymasters watching, wheedle his piss-poor performances into a CupFinal gig, and then achieve his lifetime ambition of screwing us over like he did v CFC.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I know it's not a popular view, but some of the facts around penalties do suggest a slight difference. Since 10/11 we've been awarded 46 penalties and conceded 15. As a completely meaningless statistic, that puts us 31 in credit. Chelsea are on 23 (41/18), rags are on 16 (35/19), Liverpool on 13 (39/26), Spurs on 5 (29/24) and Arsenal on minus 2 (27/29). So, looking purely at penalties awarded for and against, it doesn't look like we suffer overly much.
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How many of those were decisive / last minute / game changing awards? When it would really make a difference, it seems we are denied - e.g. Stones / Everton and Leicester away last season plus Liverpool's title deciding game at anfield. Haven't gone through them all, so may be wrong, but I imagine a lot of them were awarded during comfortable wins.
 
Watched MOTD this morning. Taylor looked like a star-struck fan at the end shaking hands with the big nose Swede.
 
Mike N said:
Watched MOTD this morning. Taylor looked like a star-struck fan at the end shaking hands with the big nose Swede.
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Did they show the tell-tale stain in his shorts ?

Surprised he didn't swap shirts with the Swedish Ego - a pair of complete cnuts together .
 
Wenger was quoted in the aftermath of his team's defeat, claiming both our goals as being offside. It isn't the first time he's whinged about a result, of course, but he then went on to talk generally about the poor quality of refereeing in this country and on this last point we can all(?) agree, but now I can't wait for his tirade the next time he has Taylor refereeing his team, especially if the result has a direct connection with the rags own status.
 
I'm no cynic but... said:
Wenger was quoted in the aftermath of his team's defeat, claiming both our goals as being offside. It isn't the first time he's whinged about a result, of course, but he then went on to talk generally about the poor quality of refereeing in this country and on this last point we can all(?) agree, but now I can't wait for his tirade the next time he has Taylor refereeing his team, especially if the result has a direct connection with the rags own status.
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Wenger would be so much easier to take seriously if he wasn't such a big baby... I didn't hear his complaints about refereeing standards when Arsenal were benefitting from them at the start of the season. Offside/Handball winner? No problem. Last minute ridiculous penalty in a shambles of an ending against soton? no problem. Etc etc
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I know it's not a popular view, but some of the facts around penalties do suggest a slight difference. Since 10/11 we've been awarded 46 penalties and conceded 15. As a completely meaningless statistic, that puts us 31 in credit. Chelsea are on 23 (41/18), rags are on 16 (35/19), Liverpool on 13 (39/26), Spurs on 5 (29/24) and Arsenal on minus 2 (27/29). So, looking purely at penalties awarded for and against, it doesn't look like we suffer overly much.
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What an absolutely pointless statistic.
 
franksinatra said:
I have posted these stats before. If you were an Arsenal fan who play a similar type of posession based football to ourselves you would no doubt feel pretty aggrieved by those stats. What is interesting they are one of the old sky four that th FA and refs are colluding to influence games for, according to this forum. Hardly doing a good job are they.

If refs are purposely trying to collude against us awarding us the most penalties is not the best tactic as along with sending offs these are the key decisions which influence football matches.

Apparently we should have had 8 penalties in the last three games, has that ever happened in the history of football?

On a side note I thought the ref was excellent yesterday.
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I wrote an article elsewhere a couple of years ago 'examining' our penalties and of the 30 odd I looked at (and it may surprise you to know Frank that - a propos nothing - I'm a qualified referee, so I like to think I did the assessment fairly) I think there were only about 3 or 4 that were even remotely arguable. From memory I think Adam Johnson's bellyflop at home to Fulham a few years back was the only one where a City player clearly dived and there were one or two others - Bellamy at home to the Trafford Town donkeys IIRC, given by Mike Deane - that were distinctly soft, but the rest were pretty clear cut. During that time there were a great many more 'shouts' that should also have been given, but weren't, but then that's probably something true to all clubs. One of the things that prompted me to do the piece was the number of penalties the rags seemed to benefit from in games where they were being held and struggling to break the deadlock (IMO), compared to City's which (and this was pure perception on my part) seemed to all get awarded when we were already 3-0 up. Don't ask me for the results as I can't remember what they were! ;-)
 
squirtyflower said:
What an absolutely pointless statistic.
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Thank you very much. Whilst I fully respect your right to hold your view, that the whole world has decided that Manchester City must be stopped at all costs, there is really no need to constantly snipe at anyone and everyone who doesn't hold the exact same view of the world.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I wrote an article elsewhere a couple of years ago 'examining' our penalties and of the 30 odd I looked at (and it may surprise you to know Frank that - a propos nothing - I'm a qualified referee, so I like to think I did the assessment fairly) I think there were only about 3 or 4 that were even remotely arguable. From memory I think Adam Johnson's bellyflop at home to Fulham a few years back was the only one where a City player clearly dived and there were one or two others - Bellamy at home to the Trafford Town donkeys IIRC, given by Mike Deane - that were distinctly soft, but the rest were pretty clear cut. During that time there were a great many more 'shouts' that should also have been given, but weren't, but then that's probably something true to all clubs. One of the things that prompted me to do the piece was the number of penalties the rags seemed to benefit from in games where they were being held and struggling to break the deadlock (IMO), compared to City's which (and this was pure perception on my part) seemed to all get awarded when we were already 3-0 up. Don't ask me for the results as I can't remember what they were! ;-)
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Evening Exeter it does seem very much to be perception on your part there. I had a quick look at the 51 penalties awarded since 2010/11 season. 49 I identified the time of the pen and score when the pen was awarded. 35 of them were given when the score was either drawing or we were winning/losing by one goal, meaning it was an important penalty.

The highest number awarded was at a 0-0 scoreline with 13, followed by 7 at 1-0 which could possible give City a crucial 2-0 cushion.

Interestingly we have also received 11 pens against our usual rivals of Pool, Arse, Spurs, Chelsea, Utd and have only conceded 5 to them over the same period since 10/11.

Like I said I have 'lost' two pens but I think you can see the pattern.
 
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Overall some useful stats brought into the discussion but, for me, an emerging theme has got to be the issue of transparency ...
Once again the rugby union shows the way (let's not get too tribal about this)
The miked up ref explains his decisions to the players and spectators alike... what I also note is the way that rugby refs warn about possible infringements.....please tell me why this can't apply to football
 
franksinatra said:
Evening Exeter it does seem very much to be perception on your part there. I had a quick look at the 51 penalties awarded since 2010/11 season. 49 I identified the time of the pen and score when the pen was awarded. 35 of them were given when the score was either drawing or we were winning/losing by one goal, meaning it was an important penalty.

The highest number awarded was at a 0-0 scoreline with 13, followed by 7 at 1-0 which could possible give City a crucial 2-0 cushion.

Interestingly we have also received 11 pens against our usual rivals of Pool, Arse, Spurs, Chelsea, Utd and have only conceded 5 to them over the same period since 10/11.

Like I said I have 'lost' two pens but I think you can see the pattern.
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More like lack of a pattern. So fractionally over 2/3rds of ours were given when there was only one goal in it either way. Interesting. If I had the time and energy I'd look at united's spread by comparison. Safe to say they've had more outrageously soft ones than us though, cos I can remember 7 or 8 without even looking!
 
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