Any chance of Mark Hughes coming back?

[Happy Feet]

Dzeko,Balloteli,Kovalov,Boateng,Milner....... The list goes on of wastes of money. Hughes signed Tevez,Kompany, De Jong. I rest my case m'lord.

 

[ThatBlueGuy]

Dzeko,Balloteli,Kovalov,Boateng,Milner....... The list goes on of wastes of money. Hughes signed Tevez,Kompany, De Jong. I rest my case m'lord.

Hughes also signed Santa Cruz.


Hughes had us as a good counter attacking team, the thing is we couldnt defend.
Mancini has us as a brilliant defensive team but we are too slow going forward.

We need both of them.

 

[jimmy blue shoes]

Dzeko,Balloteli,Kovalov,Boateng,Milner....... The list goes on of wastes of money. Hughes signed Tevez,Kompany, De Jong. I rest my case m'lord.

We didn't see the best of De jong and Kompany untill Mancini came. We will see a big improvement of all the above players next season when they have had time to settle.

Hughes was playing our best defender(Komps) in midfield ffs!

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Oh dear if this isnt a joke then i am going to start considering ever coming on this part of bluemoon again

 

[bluetoo]

more chance of my parrot becoming the next manager

more chance of my parrot becoming the next manager

 

[Shaelumstash]

This is my take on Hughes. I don't think this is a simple 'he did a great job/did an awful job' debate.

Of course, there was a reaction to the way he was sacked and Mancini appointed. In terms of his record, he took over in extremely unique circumstances (take over pending etc). His CV wasn't wholly decorated and he played for Utd. Those two factors made some critical of him from day one. I never gave a fuck about who he played for. Nor did I expect after the Sven ending, to appoint someone who had won league titles and competed at the top end of the CL. So it was a progress appointment. Could he help us progress further. Yes with significant investment, but taking into account all those things, especially employed by the forza-mancini brigade (needing time to build a team not just talented individuals etc). The Robinho signing was not his (he had to adapt significantly as a result) and thus I judge him overall on (a) whether he moved us forward as a football club and (b) his signings (and of course other tactical things etc).
The second season is always a better judgement - and I was pleased with the signings of Tevez, Adebayor, Toure etc, as I felt, considering we were still no where near CL football, we were signing players who should (and we should all have agreed) progressed us as a football club. The RSC one was a critical mistake. But Mancini has signed some rickets without a doubtOverall, signings like Bellamy, Tevez, Given, Zab, Kompany, De Jong, were all signings (doesn't matter whether they all played their best football under Hughes again taking into account the time it takes to settle in a new league in some cases and at a new club) with progression in mind. There were critical set backs during the second season, and some lost patience of course. Do I believe we would have finished top 4 that season. No. Top 6? Yes. Do I believe he would have then, with another season finished top 4 - million dollar question and there is a fair argument to be made for and against that.

What I do know is this - Mancini has not progressed us significantly enough in terms of further spending, and considering he had a better CV and more support. Team cohesion doesn't look any better, man management doesnt look any better, and the only reason he has been backed by the brigade for this long is because (a) he didnt play for Utd (b) he is cooler (c) with more pressure and expectation has come more paranoia and obsession with utd and the media (d) and as a result - a more seize mentality and defensiveness (stubborness) against critically engaging with what is really going on.

Hughes wasn't a real success at City - but equally he wasn't a failure. I would overall, take his signings as being more critical to our progression to date, than Mancini's for sure.

what a superb post, take a bow son

You make some fair points and you are clearly not one of the misty eyed, foamy mouthed Hughes fanatics, but I still think your post is heavily slanted in favour of Lesley. There is no doubt Kompany, De Jong, Tevez, Zabaletta have all been fantastic signings by Hughes. On the other hand Bridge, Santa Cruz, SWP, the price paid for Lescott, Jo, have all been ordinary at best.

Tevez was an obvious signing, Zabaletta is a fantastic squad player, I love him as much as the next City fan but he's not out of this world brilliant. De Jong and Kompany are both incredible signings and Hughes deserves great credit for them. But in fairness Mancini has made them both far better players than either of them looked under Hughes.

Kompany was bought as a midfielder and Mancini has turned him in to the best centre half we have had for a generation. De Jong wasn't even starting every game for Hughes, he looked limited and ordinary in some games. He has absolutely thrived under Mancini and is probably the best Defensive midfielder in the world now. Even Tevez has improved beyond recognition under Mancini.

The counter argument might be they have had a couple of seasons to mature and get used to the league / the team and would have improved the same under Hughes. that may be so, but why are you judging Mancini's buys now without the benefit of this experience? Kolarov, Boaeteng, Milner, Balotelli and Dzeko all have obvious and clear class and potential to improve. Let's judge them at the end of next season.

I'm not sure what 'Team cohesion' means, but to say we don't look a better side now than when Hughes left is naiive at best and blindly biased at worst. We are far better defensively now. We are more professional and focused, there's no way we would draw 3-3 at home with relegated sides any more. We wouldn't give the ball away in the last minute by being silly when 3-3 at Old Trafford anymore. We keep the ball better beyond recognition now, look at the best teams in the world, the last 8 of the CL, how many don't play possession football? How many play direct 100 miles an hour football with 32 year old race horses on the wing?

Maybe the reason people are more eager to give Mancini time is because a) He's won 3 league titles as a manager b) He's won a trophy at 3 different clubs c) He's one of the biggest names in European football d) He won't sign Santa Cruz e) You're right, he's definitely cooler, no more talk of 'Strategising our team ethic' and 'Focusing tangible improvement in key areas'

 

[schfc6]

Mancini's biggest 'fans' are those that were rabidly against Hughes from the off and now feel obliged to back the man they praised so excessively after he took over.

yep, about right.

I personally thought Hughes was the right appointment at the time. However when the money came in and he was just signing and trying to sign his old Blackburn players & targets and players their own clubs wanted rid of I found it hard to back him.
Then he managed to destroy the City careers of Ireland and Elano whilst only adding ageing and troublesome players to the squad, if you add to this the fact that we then went from 9th to 10th in the table despite spending £100m plus in his first season. Now add another £100m plus of spending on more troublesome players, playing players way out of position and then drawing at home to the likes of Burnley and being replaced when City were in 8th position in the league with a dreadful defence. These are the reasons why Hughes will never be back at City and these are the reasons why he is not liked.

Some City fans really are unreal, I'm no Mancini lover but there is no question he has done a better job than Hughes, and that is with putting out all the fires that the Hughes era caused. Mancini has had to deal with the Robinho saga, Bellamy's problems, Adebayor's problems, being left with no left back, players like SWP, RSC, Bridge and so many players out of form when he arrived, Kolo, Zabaleta Lescott, Kompany, De Jong and even Tevez were average players for us 21 months ago. Look how Mancini has changed these players.
I like the way we don't give anything time, despite the whole world knowing that to build a side takes time, yet we at City are not prepared to wait. Mancini has had 21 months, players like Kolarov, Balotelli and Boateng have had 7 months and spent plenty of time out injured, Dzeko hasn't even been give 3 months and he's already being written off.

Sometimes I think City fans deserve what they get.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Sometimes I think City fans deserve what they get.[/quote]

Hear bloody hear. Sometimes I am absolutely convinced that a sizeable minority on here would secretly be happier if the sheik fucked off and left us as little old city once again.

To be a big club you have to act like a big club. That includes the fans.

You don't see page after page on red cafe destroying their own.

Mancine is ours. We should get behind him. The days of shit managers are over. Get used to it.

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

Mancine is ours. We should get behind him. The days of shit managers are over. Get used to it.

LOL. Comedy post of the day.

 

[Cheesy]

Whatever you think of Mancini, the guy held his hands up the other day & admitted the defeat to Liverpool was his fault.

Can youseriously imagine Hughes doing that? The guy consistently blamed everyone else for his failings.