Are foriegn imports ruinning our national team ?

[IrishMacca]

Ye totally abandoned yere grassroots, what do ye expect?

It became all about having the best players now, and competeing with the best in the world, and that didn't involve scouting and giving young lads a chance to develop.
Ye've lost part of yerselves and part of the love of the game. It used to be about players playing for their club and the passion and the pride, it was all about the club. But now, I mean it's all about the players, the dream team, where the biggest money is. I mean, at the end of the day, what does Tevez care about City, or Nani care about United..etc. other than that they pay them their wage.

In rugby there's a limit of foreign players we can have on our teams, for most country's you have to be playing in a club in the country to get picked for the international team, which is a very big deal, almost more so than football it seems at times. Most players stay at home, especially New Zealand players, South African players..etc no chance of making the international team if they play away from home.
I mean in Ireland all our players play for our teams, only 2 play abroad in England, who make Irish team. It's just the way it is.

But ye lost part of yereselves when ye abandoned the grass roots, and it's too late to go back now.

Look, at the end of the day, it is all about proper development at a young age, there's more knowledge out there now more than ever about how to do it right, but still the best coaches in clubs are found coaching the senior teams rather than the U8 where they are needed.

You miss the point..i.e Why does it only affect England?

Good question, well think about it this way, where do all the best players in the likes of Italy want to go to? For now, (not sure how much longer that'll last, or whether it's over all ready) it's England.
In the likes of Italy they have their kids and they develop them right up to a young age of say 17, than what happens, in comes an English team and brings them back to the UK. 4 years later Fergie or Wenger has prodced this outstanding 22 year old Italian player for Italy, who goes on to be the star player in the world cup.
What happens the brilliant 17 year old who's playing in the third division, he's still there, why? Because nobody's looking down there. Grass roots have totally been abandoned in England, they haven't been in other countries like Spain.
Not to mention the fact that the set up is poor, the coaches are poor and the priorities are all wrong.

 

[chedinho]

Shit scouts, coaches, greedy grabbing parents along with the mentality of so many kids is what's ruining English talent. Too much money to be made, too much bullshit reputation to be made by finding/coaching the next big thing.

The football industry is going like the music industry, full of wannabe's & charlatans. Simon Cowell is a household name for discovering who? Football coaches are turning into the same thing. Big money/no talent.

pretty much all of thats true,some good coaches though in amongst the chaff.and some teams are as cruel to the kids as the pl teams,in their desire to produce stars.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Ye totally abandoned yere grassroots, what do ye expect?

It became all about having the best players now, and competeing with the best in the world, and that didn't involve scouting and giving young lads a chance to develop.
Ye've lost part of yerselves and part of the love of the game. It used to be about players playing for their club and the passion and the pride, it was all about the club. But now, I mean it's all about the players, the dream team, where the biggest money is. I mean, at the end of the day, what does Tevez care about City, or Nani care about United..etc. other than that they pay them their wage.

In rugby there's a limit of foreign players we can have on our teams, for most country's you have to be playing in a club in the country to get picked for the international team, which is a very big deal, almost more so than football it seems at times. Most players stay at home, especially New Zealand players, South African players..etc no chance of making the international team if they play away from home.
I mean in Ireland all our players play for our teams, only 2 play abroad in England, who make Irish team. It's just the way it is.

But ye lost part of yereselves when ye abandoned the grass roots, and it's too late to go back now.

Look, at the end of the day, it is all about proper development at a young age, there's more knowledge out there now more than ever about how to do it right, but still the best coaches in clubs are found coaching the senior teams rather than the U8 where they are needed.

You miss the point..i.e Why does it only affect England?

Isn't there a new rule for next season that 25 players are registered to each premierleague squad (like Europa/Champs league) and 8 have to be English and 4 homegrown.

 

[S04]

To be honest teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona are probably even more popular for kids around the world than say Chelsea and Manchester United.

Portugal and Spain have clubs that pic players by the dozen from south-America every year, half the players in the national teams from Balkan play in places like Germany, Austria, Turkey etc.
Italians seldom leave Italy actually. Neither does the Germans.
Financially it´s actually better to play in a Spanish top-club than in England because of the tax-rules.

As for grassroots football it´s the same story everywhere..Be it Spain, Germany, England or Italy.

But England seems to be only nation affected..

 

[samharris]

If the English are good enough then they will get a place in any team...

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Good point ,so maybe academies are`nt being funded (except man citys) because clubs are spending to much money on imports

If Gerrard (Liverpool academy), Lampard, Ashley Cole (both West Ham), Rooney (Everton) can make it to the top at Sky 4 clubs then underfunding doesn't seem much of an issue. There isn't some glass ceiling stopping talented English youngsters making it as far as I can see. You might have a point if there were some high quality English players "slumming it" at places like Bolton or Stoke because they couldn't get a move to a top 4 club but that isn't happening.

Correct - no glass ceiling. If the kids were good enough they would succeed. Clubs want success and if it's on the doorstep there is a massive saving. Clubs would be delighted if they could grow their own without shelling out £30m every season to keep things ticking over.

But out of the present crop of England internationals how many would you see appearing for their 'national' side if they were Brazilian, Argentinian, Italian, German or Spanish. I would think just Rooney and ColeLB.

The other problem is the national media. They faun on the OldTopFour and bum their players to the heavens, and the poor thickos believe the hype, and the minute they don an England shirt they haven't got the the big game mentality, and when did England play the kind of game Germany put together the other night?

 

[pskilla]

No, our national team is not any worse than it has been over the last 30 years. England have never been that great at international level. I think the England team was much worse under Graham Taylor, when there were many less foreign players in our League.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

The Dutch have had a massive number of imported players, yet have quite a strong team. The problem is that, we are judging the state of football on a very limited number of games and it's very easy to over-react. I promised myself I wouldn't get into any England threads, but the bottom-line is we would have beaten the US last weekend, but for Rob Green, so perhaps we should rename the thread "Is Rob Green ruinning our National Team?"......

 

[IrishMacca]

The Dutch have had a massive number of imported players, yet have quite a strong team. The problem is that, we are judging the state of football on a very limited number of games and it's very easy to over-react. I promised myself I wouldn't get into any England threads, but the bottom-line is we would have beaten the US last weekend, but for Rob Green, so perhaps we should rename the thread "Is Rob Green ruinning our National Team?"......

Ye would have beaten them if the team was any good, Green made a mistake, but if they were any good ye would have scored again USA.

But that has got nothing to do with this topic.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

The Dutch have had a massive number of imported players, yet have quite a strong team. The problem is that, we are judging the state of football on a very limited number of games and it's very easy to over-react. I promised myself I wouldn't get into any England threads, but the bottom-line is we would have beaten the US last weekend, but for Rob Green, so perhaps we should rename the thread "Is Rob Green ruinning our National Team?"......

Ye would have beaten them if the team was any good, Green made a mistake, but if they were any good ye would have scored again USA.

But that has got nothing to do with this topic.

My point is the health of a national game, can't simply be based on results of a natonal team, because we simply don't play enough games. As for the US they are a team that don't often get turned over, they lack flair, but they are very well drilled within the limits of their skills.