bluethrunthru
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and we are currently implementing a policy that will do more than enough damage to jobs, exports and imports anyway.
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Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?
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Bigga
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I won't reply to the rest since I think it's pretty random nonsense imo. But the above I will comment on.
I agree that no-one on £12k a year should be paying tax. I've said so on this very forum several times. We have Gordon Brown to thank for taxing people who shouldn't be paying any, only to give it back to them in benefits. An absolute joke of a situation which serves no purpose other than to make people feel dependent upon the state and at the same time feeding an army of public sector workers to administer the pointless endeavour.
But your implied idea that we simply pay people more is seriously flawed. If we lived in a bubble this could work, but we don't. We live in a competitive world and if we pay our people more than the value they deliver, the goods and services we produce will be uncompetitive with other countries. Unlike taxing them less, simply paying people more puts a burden on their employers. It forces businesses on the edge, out of business and puts people out of work. And makes businesses not on the edge, less competitive, selling less and needing less people. Putting those people out of work as well.
It damages our exports and encourages imports of cheaper goods. It's not a sustainable solution at all.
Your very own argument is smashed by the richest man on earth now paying his staff a living wage in the US.
Your argument decides put a worth on people that gets undercut and you would rather buy items from people who have stepped on Human dignity just to have your custom.
If you stick to principles and not follow the expanding profit, everyone gets something out of it.
Chippy_boy
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Your very own argument is smashed by the richest man on earth now paying his staff a living wage in the US.
Your argument decides put a worth on people that gets undercut and you would rather buy items from people who have stepped on Human dignity just to have your custom.
If you stick to principles and not follow the expanding profit, everyone gets something out of it.
Have a word with the 7.65 bn people not living in the UK and when you've got them on board, come back to us with a sensible proposition. Until then, you're in cloud cuckoo land.
As a hint, pretty much every socialist economy over the past 100 years has tried what you suggest. How successful have they been? For the very reasons I mentioned.
Bigga
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Have a word with the 7.65 bn people not living in the UK and when you've got them on board, come back to us with a sensible proposition. Until then, you're in cloud cuckoo land.
As a hint, pretty much every socialist economy over the past 100 years has tried what you suggest. How successful have they been? For the very reasons I mentioned.
Is it 'cloud cuckoo land' to raise wages/ tax less and lessen excessive profit?
Is it 'cloud cuckoo land' to fight for working dignity?
I dunno what planet you're on.
Fame Monster
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Maybe I'm being thick but isn't that true any party, any village, any district, any county, any country...?
Whilst one may not be in complete alignment with a view, your camp will fall closest to one over another, even in increments.
Nothing is ever black and white for viewpoints.
Is a banana closer to an apple or an orange?
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Orange.Is a banana closer to an apple or an orange?
Bigga
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Is a banana closer to an apple or an orange?
Remind me which of them have decisions to make on political leanings again...
Chippy_boy
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Is it 'cloud cuckoo land' to raise wages/ tax less and lessen excessive profit?
Yes.
Bigga
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Yes.
Well, you carry on doffing your cap to the rich and be willing to do their bidding silently.
You seem quite happy at your lot.
Chippy_boy
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Me and the rest of the majority of voters, thanks.Well, you carry on doffing your cap to the rich and be willing to do their bidding silently.
You seem quite happy at your lot.
I'm all for a "fair" Britain - who isn't. What we are not for, is shooting ourselves in the foot, making ourselves uncompetitive and everyone worse off. The Labour Way TM.