Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

[Vic]

I think a stronger argument in favour of capitalism is that inventions such as the fridge and the washing machine were much less likely to be conceived, and absolutely less subject to development under a collectivist economic model. These are (the types of) inventions that have made life for ordinary people far easier. The profit motive has advanced human progress more as any other factor, other than perhaps warfare.

Who made a profit from the wheel?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Who made a profit from the wheel?

That’s a tyred and circular argument.

 

[FlemishDuck]

NASA much profit. Get youre dividents now.

That’s a tyred and circular argument.

Getting fatigued of the square off?

 

[aguero93:20]

Who made a profit from the wheel?

Harry Kane is working on getting patent approval as we speak.

 

[Vic]

Re the idea that innovation needs the profit motive, here's a little reminder that one of the greatest inventions was opposed by people making profit out of human suffering.

 

[2sheikhs]

How exactly was that worded in context of the smear campain being held? Because admitting there is a problem seems still far away from getting the mark of being an anti semitist party.

It’s not an anti semitists party, I never said it was. I said a lot of anti Semitic people are in the party. Once again, as is usual with the left, you lurch towards a conclusion to try to justify a statement. If anyone disagrees with the philosophy and ideology of the hard left, then the assumption isn’t that you may be moderate. That would be an admission that you could be being unreasonable. It’s not a smear campaign against Corbyn or the Labour Party. If it was, why don’t they sue for defamation, libel and slander?

 

[FlemishDuck]

It’s not an anti semitists party, I never said it was.

Fair enough, but there is a question about propportionality of anti semitist problem, and the potential intended propaganda effects of the media story's being ran. i simply wonder wether it's such a big issue in propportional terms that it would wonder the backlash it likely would get from this.

More specificly, i kinda want to have details about what is considered anti semitist, atleast for propportional evaluation.

So i think this is a fair list?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

Can you tell me what the most egregious example would be of anti-semitism in the Labour party? Some of them seem rather silly and marginal to be fair.

 

[Jack Hackett]

Not sure citing Trump as the apotheosis of economic perspicacity is going to advance your argument very far, mate.

Just pointing out the evidence that cutting taxes makes the economy boom - as it has done under Trump and the reverse is true - cutting people’s take home pay through higher taxes means less demand and lower GDP growth

Suggesting I’m citing Trump as the apotheosis of economic perspicacity is stretching the point a bit but your flowery language does make me smile

Whether you agree with Trump or not he has succeeded in creating substantial economic growth in the process of repatriating millions of jobs with unemployment at its lowest in 4 decades

You cannot change the macro economic truth that increasing taxes beyond the optimum point at which exchequer revenues are maximised is counter productive resulting in higher public debt through lower revenues and higher unemployment

As someone wise once wrote

‘The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new’

 

[Jack Hackett]

You ain’t rich either unless you earn significantly more than £70k pa

Vat is not relevant to my argument which is about the impact of tax increases on the economy - Vat rates haven’t changed in 8 years and was not an increase proposed by Labour in its manifesto - I do agree it’s a regressive tax but not relevant to this argument

I mix with all types - you shouldn’t assume things

 

[2sheikhs]

Fair enough, but there is a question about propportionality of anti semitist problem, and the potential intended propaganda effects of the media story's being ran. i simply wonder wether it's such a big issue in propportional terms that it would wonder the backlash it likely would get from this.

More specificly, i kinda want to have details about what is considered anti semitist, atleast for propportional evaluation.

So i think this is a fair list?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

Can you tell me what the most egregious example would be of anti-semitism in the Labour party? Some of them seem rather silly and marginal to be fair.

Would you be surprised if there were genuine racists among the ranks of UKIP? It’s not newsworthy is it because they have ideals that suit such people. The Labour Party is under the spotlight because they laud themselves as the inclusive party. Any incident, perceived, rumoured or actual, will be highlighted. It’s not done because it’s a smear campaign, it’s because people like to expose hypocrisy and double standards.