bluemoon32
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Bayern for me but we're certainly one of the best
Are we really "the best team in the world" right now?
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Yes well that wasn't the team persay, It was Peps' team selection and subsequent failure to change it when even Stevie Wonder could see that we were achieving nothing. That was also the worst line up over this great period which kind of underlines this theory. ;)
By the same token, how many think the Dutch side of the 70s was one of he best ever?
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Not yet in my opinion but only jut behind bayern
Cheeky Txiki
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No. The sad truth is the UCL is the only competition that takes you in that conversation. Funny thing is if we win the quadruple this will go down as the best City side of all time even though we all know 17/18 City is better than this.
Cobwebcat
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The other thing is it depends who you ask. If you were to ask a top club and they had to answer objectively there would be no conversation as they all have the data showing who is performing the best and right now that is City. That’s why you have rival Managers like Klopp and Ancelloti stating it like it’s a fact rather than a debate, they know where their own team stands and, as a result, who is top. Interestingly if you ask Google it normally refers you to Satista and Statista refers you to the 538 rankings.
If you ask a supporter most will say whoever wins the CL. Most of the time that’s wrong but it’s what most people believe even if the club that won it 11 months ago has had a terrible run since.
On a related point I see City are going head to head with Liverpool in the data stakes.
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If you ask a supporter most will say whoever wins the CL. Most of the time that’s wrong but it’s what most people believe even if the club that won it 11 months ago has had a terrible run since.
On a related point I see City are going head to head with Liverpool in the data stakes.
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And the Geeks shall inherit the earthThe other thing is it depends who you ask. If you were to ask a top club and they had to answer objectively there would be no conversation as they all have the data showing who is performing the best and right now that is City. That’s why you have rival Managers like Klopp and Ancelloti stating it like it’s a fact rather than a debate, they know where their own team stands and, as a result, who is top. Interestingly if you ask Google it normally refers you to Satista and Statista refers you to the 538 rankings.
If you ask a supporter most will say whoever wins the CL. Most of the time that’s wrong but it’s what most people believe even if the club that won it 11 months ago has had a terrible run since.
On a related point I see City are going head to head with Liverpool in the data stakes.
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Bayern's level has dropped a bit this season but they're still the only team who can be considered the best in the world. So yeah, at worst City are the second best team in the world but it will mean nothing if you don't win the CL soon.
01cravend
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Bayern have 6 trophies in the last year, we have 1. They are still in the champions league and are top of their league too, what makes us better than them?...Because they've lost 4 and we've only lost 3 this season?...Save this talk for the end of the season.
Cobwebcat
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From a performance point of view the CL is just a high standard knock out cup and doesn’t prove much... for instance are the runners up the second best team? Are the last 16 the top 16 in the World? In what order? ClubElo once calculated that the best team only won the CL 55% of the time and often didn’t win their own domestic league in the same season.
From a historical point of view, which is what the vast majority of people care about, you are entirely correct.
Pep often refers to the above saying he knows that he will be judged by others on if he wins the CL but it’s not how he judges himself knowing that one bit of bad luck and you are out.
If not winning the CL gives the press and opposition fans something to shout about then so be it. I used to do the same when United never won it!