Are You Officially Priced Out Yet, Or Almost?

[FanchesterCity]

The notion of letting everyone in for free is a bit extreme, but I think they were illustrating the point that ticket revenue is a relatively small amount of overall revenue, and most of the top clubs could actually afford to let people in for free without worry (FFP and shareholders apart).

However, Season Ticket Sharing is something that can increase revenue (effectively two fans share the same seat each attending only 50% of the games).
The reason this can increase revenue is ONE fan will only buy one fans worth of mechanise, two fans will buy two fans worth. This is one of the reasons that clubs don't go 100% season ticket (putting regulations to one side). It's not effective for the same 47K to keep showing up, it's far better to have more individuals showing up and thus buying more merchandise. 'Tourist' fans spend more. That's the long and short of it. I won't be buying a scarf or shirt each time I visit, a tourist fan probably will.

Whilst it's not practical to let everybody in for free, we do see steps being taking by many clubs, including City, to attract fans to less prestigious games like the League Cup early rounds etc. It's quite clear they NEED to reduce tickets prices to attract fans, and finding the optimum price point is a complicated science. Should we struggle to fill our new 60K capacity in a couple of years, City will be forced to re-evaluate ticket prices.

50K fans @ £40.00 per ticket = £2M
60K fans @ £30.00 per ticket = £2.1M + 10,000 more food, drink and merchandise customers.

If we DO fill the 60K, then its a moot point.

 

[Cellarite]

Ta kev, think cheethamhillblue is on a wind up tho to be honest.

Well laid out post, Rachace.
I will respond with the following comments.
I'm aware i'm in a minority of one. It was a minority of 2 but the other was wished 'family illness' by some dickhead.
Yes, the prices are high. Not extortionately high but high enough for some to have to make a decision - renew or not.
If you compare today's prices like for like with the Stuart Pearce era and compare football/success, they seem almost reasonable.
I've supported City for over 40 years and have had periods where i've not been able to afford to go. (Unemployed, kids, mortgage, CSA etc)
I do realise i am fortunate where i can pick and choose the games i want to watch.
I believe anyone who thinks City should let us all in free cos it 'doesn't make much revenue' is a clown. (Not you)
I know of no workable system that would allow for the '21 year season ticket holder (15 + 6) to be able to watch the game at a discounted price.
And finally, i am still 100% certain the club wouldn't want to do that.
I can empathise as much as you want but it wouldn't change the clubs stance and minority or not, that is the reality.
Good luck with what you and the majority decide to do.

Make that 2 again, you are bang on mate.

At what point has anybody said they think the club should let us all in for free? You can also compare different times and clubs all you want but for the last time, I don't give a fuck that Southampton at home two years ago cost £1 less nor that Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea charge more and Stoke charge about the same. It's ALL too much. Ticket prices should cost no more than £35 for an adult an £10 for a child in any stadium in the country.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Well laid out post, Rachace.
I will respond with the following comments.
I'm aware i'm in a minority of one. It was a minority of 2 but the other was wished 'family illness' by some dickhead.
Yes, the prices are high. Not extortionately high but high enough for some to have to make a decision - renew or not.
If you compare today's prices like for like with the Stuart Pearce era and compare football/success, they seem almost reasonable.
I've supported City for over 40 years and have had periods where i've not been able to afford to go. (Unemployed, kids, mortgage, CSA etc)
I do realise i am fortunate where i can pick and choose the games i want to watch.
I believe anyone who thinks City should let us all in free cos it 'doesn't make much revenue' is a clown. (Not you)
I know of no workable system that would allow for the '21 year season ticket holder (15 + 6) to be able to watch the game at a discounted price.
And finally, i am still 100% certain the club wouldn't want to do that.
I can empathise as much as you want but it wouldn't change the clubs stance and minority or not, that is the reality.
Good luck with what you and the majority decide to do.

Make that 2 again, you are bang on mate.

At what point has anybody said they think the club should let us all in for free? You can also compare different times and clubs all you want but for the last time, I don't give a fuck that Southampton at home two years ago cost £1 less nor that Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea charge more and Stoke charge about the same. It's ALL too much. Ticket prices should cost no more than £35 for an adult an £10 for a child in any stadium in the country.

You're right on the one hand, but I'm sure you know, supply and demand rules.
But as a matter of principle, I agree with you. Tickets prices COULD be a LOT cheaper for most clubs (not all, but most). It would help if FFP give special dispensations for reduced tickets prices (thus it wouldn't hurt in their break even analysis).
The UEFA and the PL could also mandate that ticket prices are capped. It would be a fantastic and welcome gesture towards the fans to start paying attention to the affordability of football. They won't, we know this, but they COULD and in my view, they SHOULD.

 

[Cellarite]

Make that 2 again, you are bang on mate.

At what point has anybody said they think the club should let us all in for free? You can also compare different times and clubs all you want but for the last time, I don't give a fuck that Southampton at home two years ago cost £1 less nor that Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea charge more and Stoke charge about the same. It's ALL too much. Ticket prices should cost no more than £35 for an adult an £10 for a child in any stadium in the country.

You're right on the one hand, but I'm sure you know, supply and demand rules.
But as a matter of principle, I agree with you. Tickets prices COULD be a LOT cheaper for most clubs (not all, but most). It would help if FFP give special dispensations for reduced tickets prices (thus it wouldn't hurt in their break even analysis).
The UEFA and the PL could also mandate that ticket prices are capped. It would be a fantastic and welcome gesture towards the fans to start paying attention to the affordability of football. They won't, we know this, but they COULD and in my view, they SHOULD.

Yep, then clubs would have a choice to invest in their ground for more revenue or invest in the team. UEFA, the Premier League and the clubs themselves shit all over fans. That's the point most people on here have been trying to make for the last ten pages or so.

City are not completely to blame but are certainly not blameless.

 

[paulchapo]

I think i am right in saying at the moment we have 36 thousand season ticket holders? So before the stadium expansion and deducting 3 thousand seats for away fans that would be probably a maximum of 9 thousand City fans who have to pay the premium price for a match day ticket.My seat in the South stand level one costs me about £35 a game which IS superb value.

The idea is obviously to get as many season tickets sold as possible so the club have a fixed income to work with.The worry is once they have finished the stadium expansion and maximised the season ticket sales do they then leap in price?

I have to say paying £55-60 a game will be a price too far for me.

 

[FanchesterCity]

At what point has anybody said they think the club should let us all in for free? You can also compare different times and clubs all you want but for the last time, I don't give a fuck that Southampton at home two years ago cost £1 less nor that Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea charge more and Stoke charge about the same. It's ALL too much. Ticket prices should cost no more than £35 for an adult an £10 for a child in any stadium in the country.

You're right on the one hand, but I'm sure you know, supply and demand rules.
But as a matter of principle, I agree with you. Tickets prices COULD be a LOT cheaper for most clubs (not all, but most). It would help if FFP give special dispensations for reduced tickets prices (thus it wouldn't hurt in their break even analysis).
The UEFA and the PL could also mandate that ticket prices are capped. It would be a fantastic and welcome gesture towards the fans to start paying attention to the affordability of football. They won't, we know this, but they COULD and in my view, they SHOULD.

Yep, then clubs would have a choice to invest in their ground for more revenue or invest in the team. UEFA, the Premier League and the clubs themselves shit all over fans. That's the point most people on here have been trying to make for the last ten pages or so.

City are not completely to blame but are certainly not blameless.

Were a bunch of mugs, and have ourselves to blame really. We'll travel to Wembley for semi finals at a time that best suits the FA, not us, and we'll pay extortionate prices for the privilege.
We'll pay 45 quid for a shirt that costs about £5.00 to manufacture etc

Football is a business and they'll squeeze what they can, and they won't stop until we stop. So ultimately, we're every bit as much to blame. Sad state of affairs really.

 

[Cellarite]

You're right on the one hand, but I'm sure you know, supply and demand rules.
But as a matter of principle, I agree with you. Tickets prices COULD be a LOT cheaper for most clubs (not all, but most). It would help if FFP give special dispensations for reduced tickets prices (thus it wouldn't hurt in their break even analysis).
The UEFA and the PL could also mandate that ticket prices are capped. It would be a fantastic and welcome gesture towards the fans to start paying attention to the affordability of football. They won't, we know this, but they COULD and in my view, they SHOULD.

Yep, then clubs would have a choice to invest in their ground for more revenue or invest in the team. UEFA, the Premier League and the clubs themselves shit all over fans. That's the point most people on here have been trying to make for the last ten pages or so.

City are not completely to blame but are certainly not blameless.

Were a bunch of mugs, and have ourselves to blame really. We'll travel to Wembley for semi finals at a time that best suits the FA, not us, and we'll pay extortionate prices for the privilege.
We'll pay 45 quid for a shirt that costs about £5.00 to manufacture etc

Football is a business and they'll squeeze what they can, and they won't stop until we stop. So ultimately, we're every bit as much to blame. Sad state of affairs really.

Fuck me, has peace broken out?

 

[FanchesterCity]

I think i am right in saying at the moment we have 36 thousand season ticket holders? So before the stadium expansion and deducting 3 thousand seats for away fans that would be probably a maximum of 9 thousand City fans who have to pay the premium price for a match day ticket.My seat in the South stand level one costs me about £35 a game which IS superb value.

The idea is obviously to get as many season tickets sold as possible so the club have a fixed income to work with.The worry is once they have finished the stadium expansion and maximised the season ticket sales do they then leap in price?

I have to say paying £55-60 a game will be a price too far for me.

They could sell more seasons tickets, but choose not to. Tourist ticket sales are more profitable. It's a balancing act to get the ratio right though, as some games won't attract as many tourists as others.

I think City's prices will go up, but they'll not want to be seen as exploitative so will be favourable with other top clubs. FFP doesn't help as it's asking us to reduce costs / increase revenues (two sides of the same coin really).

 

[CheethamHillBlue]

At what point has anybody said they think the club should let us all in for free? You can also compare different times and clubs all you want but for the last time, I don't give a fuck that Southampton at home two years ago cost £1 less nor that Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea charge more and Stoke charge about the same. It's ALL too much. Ticket prices should cost no more than £35 for an adult an £10 for a child in any stadium in the country.

I can't remember who the buffoon was but he was on this thread saying "Gate money makes no difference to FFP. In fact they could let everyone in for nowt and it would make no difference"
Didn't you see it? You were probably too busy having a rant at the minority. ;-)
Just a thought but why £35?
Why not £25 and a fiver for a kid?
19 x £5 = £95 and it wasn't long ago the kids S/T was £99 was it?

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I think i am right in saying at the moment we have 36 thousand season ticket holders? So before the stadium expansion and deducting 3 thousand seats for away fans that would be probably a maximum of 9 thousand City fans who have to pay the premium price for a match day ticket.My seat in the South stand level one costs me about £35 a game which IS superb value.

The idea is obviously to get as many season tickets sold as possible so the club have a fixed income to work with.The worry is once they have finished the stadium expansion and maximised the season ticket sales do they then leap in price?

I have to say paying £55-60 a game will be a price too far for me.

They could sell more seasons tickets, but choose not to. Tourist ticket sales are more profitable. It's a balancing act to get the ratio right though, as some games won't attract as many tourists as others.

I think City's prices will go up, but they'll not want to be seen as exploitative so will be favourable with other top clubs. FFP doesn't help as it's asking us to reduce costs / increase revenues (two sides of the same coin really).

City sellout the maximum 36000 SC's they are allowed to nowadays mate. As for £45 shirts, they are now £55 or if you are a SC holder, 10% cheaper. Still a rip off though imo.